大陆GDP到底应该是处在世界什么样的水平?

作者:tantianxing  于 2017-10-31 02:42 发表于 最热闹的华人社交网络--贝壳村

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4 回复 tantianxing 2017-11-1 01:38
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4 回复 tantianxing 2017-11-1 01:41
vibes: 是不是GDP的一部分未经纳税者同意,都用在国家交通枢纽和城市的基础建设了?
天朝是国富民穷,崛起的是赵家Money. 屁民喝点汤, no money!
6 回复 gushu 2017-11-1 12:04
lym2021: 城市人口指的是拿着城市户口的人口。城市化就算你住在市中心,可依然是某某乡的户口,你依然是农村人口
现在只是谈经济问题。人在哪里生活工作,就应该算哪里的人。

你难道认为剥夺人民选择居住地的权利是正确的?应该驱赶民工回农村?
3 回复 gushu 2017-11-1 12:06
lym2021: 在纽约待过7年的觉得纽约地铁比中国地铁安全得多。
以下记录只是1990年以来纽约地铁的事故的不完全记录:

  08/03/2011 A 6 Train derailed in Harlem near the 125th Street station at 4:14 a.m. About 100 passengers were evacuated safely and there were no injuries.

  07/11/2011A Metro North train derailment in midtown Manhattan last month was both uncomfortable and potentially dangerous for passengers. The six car train on the Hudson Line was carrying hundreds of passengers during the evening rush hour on Monday, July 11, 2011.

  05/17/2011 At around 6:00 a.m, a work train came off the B tracks at Dekalb Avenue Station, putting the entire line out of commission and creating delays along several other lines.

  02/13/2009 Just after 1:00pm, a Coney Island bound "D" train derailed at the 81st Street/Museum of Natural History station on the IND 8th Avenue Line. An MTA official says that "approximately two cars were derailed" (WCBS-TV). Passengers were loaded onto another train that pulled up behind the derailed one. The rescue train took them to the West 125th Street/St. Nicholas Avenue station. The A and D trains were put into local service between 125th Street and 59th Street stations while C train was suspended along the entire length of its run. It is believed that 500 people were on board the IND train. According to a report from WABC-TV's website, a broken rail was reported at the station, but it is not known if that countributed to the accident. (Thanks to David Harris for the report.)

  05/04/2008 A Brooklyn bound "N" train derailed at the 57th Street/7th Avenue station on the BMT Broadway Subway. Passengers were evacuated from the derailed train with a rescue train. The passengers came to the surface at the 5th Avenue station. There were no serious injuries as a result of this accident. N service was suspended in both directions between Queensboro Plaza and Times Square, Bay Ridge bound R trains were re-routed via the "F" line between 36th Street (Queens) and Herald Square. A shuttle train was put into service between Queensboro Plaza and Ditmars Blvd. NYC Transit says the train's operator and motorman will receive blood alcohol testing. (Thanks to David Harris for the writeup.)

  11/06/2007 Bumper block overshoot at Chambers Street, 11/6/2007. As the R42 fleet is being prepared for scrapping, the four pairs of R42 cars were sent to the 207th St. yard scrap line instead of being repaired, even those with only relatively minor damage. Cars involved: 4624-4625, 4730-4731, 4786-4787, 4818-4819.

  04/29/2007 At 4:06PM on April 29th, 2007 two NYCTA track workers were struck by a Queens bound G train at the Hoyt-Schermerhorn Street station. One of them was killed by the train while the other was sent to Bellevue Hospital for treatment. His injuries were serious in nature. Service on the G train was suspended until 7:42PM that evening. Five days earlier (April 24th) at 11:20PM, a track worker was killed on the 7th Avenue IRT near the Columbus Circle station. He was struck by a 3 train while setting up flagging lanterns. With the exception of completing the work that was already in progress at the time of the incidents, track work was suspended. Work resumed on May 4th at 8:00AM. During the suspension, MoW workers were retrained on safety procedures.

  



  10/25/2000 Out of service train rear-ends another stationary out of service train on middle track of Jerome Ave (#4) line at Fordham Road. Lead car of rear train (#1370) head end damaged; second car of rear train (#1369) is completely wrecked, due to jackknife at center of car. No passenger injuries.

  06/21/2000 B train derails at DeKalb Ave. Brooklyn, around 10:00 pm. Approximately 70 people injured. First three cars of southbound train jumped the tracks south of DeKalb requiring approx. 70 feet of track to be replaced. Service was restored by 6:00 am the next morning.

  04/12/2000 A #5 train derails near 59th St. at end of rush hour. Thousands of riders are stranded in the disabled train for hours while a second train is sent to pick them up.

  



  02/03/1998 Accident on 239th Street Yard lead- collision between two trains. Cars involved 1391-1400; 8832-8833, 8912-8913, 8980-8981, 9152-9153, 9154-9155. No passenger injuries.

  



  11/20/1997 A Jamaica-bound R train rear-ends a G train in a tunnel near the Steinway Street station in Long Island City, Queens. There were no serious injuries were reported among the approximately 40 victims, who mainly suffered minor head and neck injuries. All of the injured were treated and released. The cars, which were estimated traveling at about 10 miles per hour at the time of the collision, suffered only limited damage.

  07/14/1997 A Flatbush Ave. bound #2 train derailed south of the Franklin Avenue Station at the point where the Nostrand Avenue Line branches off from the Eastern Parkway Line. Service was shut down on the #2 between Atlantic Avenue and Flatbush Avenue and on the #4 from Franklin Avenue to New Lots Avenue. Of the 120 people on the train, only three were injured. The consist was (s) 9203-2, 9087-6, 9073-2, 9052-3, 8885-4 (n). R-33 8884 was wedged into the wall and cut up on the spot. Its mate 8885 was converted to a work car.

  07/03/1997 At 10:20 pm a Queens-bound A train derails under St. Nicholas Avenue in Harlem, just north of the 135th Street Station as it is going over a switch. Mayor Giuliani reports: "It's an absolute miracle no one was killed or seriously injured. What I saw was unbelievable. The last car as smashed in half, just ripped apart." 15 people were injured and service on the A and D was terminated at 59th Street and C service suspended entirely. The Transit Authority was forced to run shuttle trains on the D from 205th to 161st Street in the Bronx, and on the A from 207th Street to 168th Street, in conjunction with shuttle bus service.

  



  11/24/1996 Derailment south of Hunts Point Avenue (Pelham line) on Track M. Car 1716 repaired and returned to service. 1909 was a total writeoff due to mid-carbody damage.

  08/13/1996 A Brooklyn-bound D train of R-68s derailed while it was pulling out of the DeKalb Avenue station in Brooklyn. There were no injuries among the 350 passengers. It has not been determined if track work in the area of the derailment caused the incident. This was the first derailment of 1996, and the seventh since 1991.

  08/22/1995 18 people were injured when a 6 train bypassed a red signal and struck another train stopped at Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall station, New York state investigators said.

  06/05/1995 Major collision on the Williamsburg Bridge. At about 6:12 am a Manhattan bound M train which had stopped near the Brooklyn tower of the bridge was hit from behind by a J train. The motorman of the J train, on his final run of an overnight shift, was killed and over 50 passengers were injured. The M train s consist was (s) 4622-3,4611-0,4587-6,4665-4 (n) . The J train s consist was (s) 4461-0, 4489-8, 4536-7, 4452-3 (n). The ends of cars 4461 (J train) and 4664 (M train) were demolished. Cars 4460, 4489-8 received moderate damage. Investigators conclude that the J train ran a red signal at high speed, and that the spacing of signals and poor performance of the trains brakes contributed to the crash.

  02/09/1995 An M train carring no passengers smashes into a Manhattan bound B train near the Ninth Ave. station in Brooklyn. The motorman and 6 people aboard the B train suffered minor injuries. Investigators blame the motorman of the M train, who intentionally "keyed by" a red light - a procedure that allows him to bypass it - before accelerating around a sharp curve and into the B train.

  12/21/1994 Edward Leary explodes homemade bomb that sent a fireball whooshing through a subway car, injuring himself and 47 others. The crude bomb went off while the subway train was parked in a station.

  09/28/1994 A work train rear-ended another work train on the IRT line at Graham Ave. in Brooklyn. Investigators determined that the motorman, who had worked 16 hours straight in violation of Transit Authority regulations, passed two stop signals.

  08/15/1994 11 people are injured when the last car of a southbound B train derails near Ninth Avenue in Sunset Park, Brooklyn, and slams into a tunnel wall. Someone in a control tower mistakenly activated a switch to send the train from the local to the express track, while the train was passing over it, and a mechanism designed to prevent that from happening failed.

  10/07/1993 At 5:20 AM a Manhattan bound L train collided with another L train in the Graham Avenue Station. The Manhattan bound train was composed of eight R-42's , (W) 4882-3, 4905-4, 4892-3, 4915-4. The train in the station was composed of eight slant R-40's (W)4427-6, 4431-0, 4437-6, 4416-7. 45 people are injured. Officials find that the motorman of the rear train intentionally "keyed by" a red signal.

  08/28/1991 Five people are killed and more than 200 injured when a southbound No. 4 train derails going over a switch just north of Union Square. Service on the Lexington Avenue IRT, was disrupted for six days as transit workers toiled around the clock to clean up the wreckage. The motorman, Robert Ray, who was drunk and going more than 40 mph where the speed limit was 10 mph, is later convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 15 years in prison. It was the worst subway accident in 63 years. (Photo courtesy New York City Transit)

  12/28/1990 Electrical fire in tunnel near Clark Street, Brooklyn kills two and injures 188.
4 回复 gushu 2017-11-1 12:09
lym2021:    人家有钱买大麻枪支,你有钱维稳抓维权人士,都一样啊,算起来你花得更多
所谓的维权人士只不过是美国中情局养的狗而已。坐牢也每月发狗粮。
5 回复 西部华人 2017-11-1 12:30
皇帝说多少GDP就得是多少,定下指标任务,统计局长再去论证,论证不被皇帝接受就进秦城,所以统计局必须作假。
4 回复 随意随缘 2017-11-1 14:31
楼主,别的没法评论,因为不掌握数据。只是这个你可以多说点吗?出处在哪里?
1、美国:2016年人均GDP是56875美元,年人均收入43460美元,年人均收入与占人均GDP的比率:76.64%。

根据GDP的定义,你的人均收入明显太过于接近人均GDP了,这在正规的统计报告中是不可能出现的。
6 回复 gushu 2017-11-1 15:16
lym2021: 统计人口和经济的时候就是根据户口算城市和农村人口。不要打岔,你农村再城市化,都是农村人口,算收入不能按照城镇。
不是写的很清楚,常住人口吗?非要扯什么户口干嘛?
没户口就不是人了?

几亿农村户口的人常住在城市,人均GDP当然要把这些人算进去。
他们创造出来的GDP,不算他们进去,这才是弄虚作假,伪造统计。
7 回复 gushu 2017-11-1 15:19
lym2021: http://www.bjnews.com.cn/inside/2016/03/31/398770.html
北京两年39起坠轨事故。不比你的多?哈哈,这还只是公布的。多少未公布你敢说一定没有?美国可不会遮
你的狡辩越来越苍白了。
你自己找出来的帖子,北京的坠落31次中26次是自杀,跟地铁安全不安全没关系,想自杀跳楼也可以,跳海也可以。总不能说海不安全,楼不安全?
5 回复 gushu 2017-11-1 15:54
lym2021: 城镇人均GDP就是按照户籍来算啊,这是最基本的sense啊,总不能算一年就统计一次人口吧。
你觉得把几亿常年在城市打工的人算做农村人口统计出来的资料,有多大可信度?

把这些人从城镇人口中剔除,算出来的人均GDP,就等于两个人的工资算给一个人,
看起来收入很高,自己爽而已,毫无意义。

总不能算一年就统计一次人口吧。--------你以为统计人口现在还是户籍警一家一家查户口??常住人口就是在城市办了暂住证,只要计算机按一下统计马上就可以知道有多少人,别说每年统计,就是每分钟统计都没问题。
8 回复 gushu 2017-11-1 15:55
lym2021: 哈哈哈,你真是无耻到极点了,看都没看也敢胡说八道?你看得懂英文吗?这里面说的是什么情况?1990到2011,22年,一共才死了6个,大多数“事故”都是“carries n
调度出错,就说明地铁本身系统老化,容易出错,或者是人员管理不当。
跟自杀两码事。
7 回复 呐喊丁丁 2017-11-1 23:45
中国GDP有水分是事实,但你以“个人收入”与GDP之比同欧美对比,进而得出“有假”的结论却是不正确的。自从1990年以来,中国“个人收入”占GDP的份额多在35-40%,政府支出和投资占大头。GDP是个人消费,政府支出和投资加上外贸净出口。所以,从你用的比例和对比不能得出中国GDP不实的结论。
4 回复 tantianxing 2017-11-2 00:48
呐喊丁丁: 中国GDP有水分是事实,但你以“个人收入”与GDP之比同欧美对比,进而得出“有假”的结论却是不正确的。自从1990年以来,中国“个人收入”占GDP的份额多在35-40%
请搞清楚GDP的含意最好了。和百姓支出、政府支出无关。社会收入是可以充分体现GDP情况的,因为,社会上的所有产品和服务是靠给人付工资而获得的产出。记住,社会所有服务与产品是靠给人付工资而产出的。没有给人工资付出,社会上什么东西也没有的。社会总收入是可以低于GDP总量,但是不能低的太多。太多了就说明政府的税费过高。这个税费比例的体现就是政府国家资源(无论是政府管理资源还是材料土地资源)抽社会全体百姓收入的税费比例。
5 回复 苏诚忠 2017-11-4 17:05
我的一位亲戚,在农村,每个月连三百元都拿不到,这是什么人均GDP?
2 回复 媒体喉舌 2017-11-27 14:44
不是按照美国砖家,中国都崩溃几十年了吗?现在还每年预测中国崩溃,怎么反倒赶上美国了?你们在这里讨论这些,是学美国媒体和砖家呢?
2 回复 老蒙 2018-1-11 11:18
以GDP而GDP,这是很滑稽的。
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