谈谈杀光中国人事件游行示威的得失 - ZT

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2 回复 chineseman 2013-11-13 11:26
自由之灵: 两条理由都站不住脚:

第一,吉米的节目Kids Table主题是以孩子的眼光谈论政治,而不是借此发表他成人对美国政府借钱不还的看法。这个节目就是以孩子的观点来吸 ...
感谢参加讨论。
文化语言差异加由自卑产生的过敏往往会觉得人家是故意冒犯。如果中国有个类似节目,你认为在中国的美国人会在意吗?
2 回复 白露为霜 2013-11-13 11:43
穿鞋的蜻蜓: 以你的英文能力,不会不知道people in China 是什么意思吧?这就是我对此事不以为然的地方,你可以为“中国人”伸张呐喊,但曲解成所有的华人,甚至像PACE大学那 ...
他要杀people in China 就可以了吗?谁都有父兄在中国。他要杀我爹我还要陪笑脸?
2 回复 穿鞋的蜻蜓 2013-11-13 11:46
还以为是你写的。最后一段措辞比较怪异,有点给“中国人”点拨开窍恨铁不成铅狗头军师阴阳脸儿的感觉,不知他到底是对中国人还是华裔说话。
1 回复 chineseman 2013-11-13 12:03
白露为霜: 他要杀people in China 就可以了吗?谁都有父兄在中国。他要杀我爹我还要陪笑脸?
你太钻牛角尖啦。那是句如何能赖账的黑幽默。
2 回复 自由之灵 2013-11-13 12:12
chineseman: 感谢参加讨论。
文化语言差异加由自卑产生的过敏往往会觉得人家是故意冒犯。如果中国有个类似节目,你认为在中国的美国人会在意吗? ...
我干吗要以美国人的行为来规范自己的行为呢?你是不是认为美国白人就是内心强大的一方?我们每个人的喜怒哀乐都应该以作为一个美国白人如何感觉而调整一番,而显示自己不自卑,不过敏?
1 回复 穿鞋的蜻蜓 2013-11-13 13:29
看YOUTUBE上的留言:

TheDeadGodfather1 day ago

The Chinese have no sense of humor, this was the funniest ever to appear on the Jimmy Kimmel Show. I'm still laughing at these funny kids, I have to watch it again, it just way too funny. To all the Chinese Freaks out there, learn to laugh for once. P.S. The Chinese killed more people than Hitler ever did, read your History Books.
Jak Skot1 day ago

Um... Im sure you are a non-mainlander chinese otherwise you would know what the Chinese are taught in public school about Americans. Talk about racists. I have never met a more generally racist group than the mainland chinese.
sechinah10823 hours ago

How about you not be so thinned skin! It's a joke. What about all the covert violence that China has done to the Tibetans and the Ethnic Chinese in China.
Diablo Matamoros3 days ago

Chinese people are fanatic nationalists. You can't understand the humor of the comment because you cannot see it from the American perspective.

There is no reason to tell the child "he should not speak like that" because we do not have a shame based culture. The kid was making a joke because he was saying the most crude and absurd thing he could and then laughing about it.

He knows it is wrong, that is why he said it. You think he is saying it because he doesn't know it is wrong. In this way the two cultures are opposites.
mcglo381 day ago

FUCK ALL YOU CHINESE BASTARDS.
Marc Lubecke2 weeks ago

Kimmel was just following the kid. He did not really pay much attention. This happens all the times in people's daily conversation: people just follow others' words without even thinking often times. But the kid seems really an evil creature. I mean who taught him to just wipe out his creditors? How this idea just popped up the first time in his mind? What kinda parents he has?


Eric Lambert1 day ago

Shangru, your English is truly impressive. As a native English speaker, I wish my level of Mandarin skill allowed me to express myself as clearly as you do in English. Now, as for Kimmel's comments and the kids' comments....I really believe you misunderstood....in no way was Kimmel lending any validation to the kids' comments. He probably should have told them outright that talking about killing everyone in China was simply inappropriate for that conversation, but I think most Americans would agree that he was not provoking the children to say what they said or condoning it.
MzDawson3150814 hours ago

This dude makes a point....our kids are overly influenced by violence and these thoughts have to come from some kind of influence. No culture or country is perfect but when something like this happens we cant ignore it. America tries to pride itself of being a "melting pot" but there is still so much racism and prejudice that happens behind closed doors. Those childrens statements shine a light on these flaws in our culture. Children are the future and its our responsibility to teach them morality and consequence. we have freedom of speech but that doesn't make all statements okay. Jimmy didn't say it...its not his fault...but an apology is needed by ABC. Accidents happen...still gotta say "Im Sorry".  Especially If we owe them money.  What do/would you do if someone owed you $1000.....that's nothing compared to our nations debt. And even if you don't like the Chinese....truth is without them our cushy little livse would become very hard pressed. look around your home and see how much of your things came from china....
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Wei xu13 hours ago

Eventually, I've found a normal American who has reason and bears responsibility. I wonder if normal Americans usually don't visit YouTube.

CharcoalJoe13 hours ago

Thank you for posting. I am a Black who is always interested in Asian opinion. Remember during the American government shutdown, China began a movement to get away from  the dollar as the world standard. This is the kind of move that got SADDAM HUSSEIN and MOAMMAR GADDAFI killed.

OLomasO11 hours ago

Jimmy doesn't owe you anything. You're not complaining about what the child said. You're complaining that Jimmy "Let" you hear it. I didn't know Jimmy had such a powerful grip on the ears of the Chinese community. The joke was funny. Period. Ex.  What's the best way to get rid of debt? Kill the person you owe the money too. That's the joke. Chinese, Japanese, American. It doesn't matter who owes money to who. Because IT'S A JOKE. I don't see your video on Bill Cosby's "Kids Say" show. What was the kid supposed to say to Jimmy? Child: Oh! You pay them the money cause they're wonderful people to give you the things you need. Jimmy: Very good answer! Gives Candy.
Oscar Garcia20 hours ago

Shangru please fucking KILL YOURSELF!!!! It was a god damn KID!!! This is AMERICA, and in AMERICA in my country we have fucking comedy. Im hispanic, do you know how many cracks comedians have taken against my people? You know what we have that you do not? Is it pride? NO! Its called a fucking sense of humor. Stop being a bitch China. Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!
eli pena7 hours ago

America does not care about the Chinese. Chinese people are all slaves with no real control or opinions, china is a garbage dump. everything in china is fake including your government. long live America. the Chinese are killing them selves with pollution, chemicals in meats and milk, slave labor and communism.
lastcall1707 hours ago

Im American and am not surprised at the lack of decency in our culture today. It was wrong to teach children that kind of speech. I apologize myself.
grumblekin4 hours ago

Chairman Mao already tried to kill all the Chinese but he failed.  He's considered a hero after quitting at 20 million dead.

Jimmy Kimmel has NO political power, NO policy power, NO power of any kind.  Children say whatever they want and have NO power.  If the kid said "kill all the whites" it wouldn't be a problem....it's only a problem because Chinese people were insulted and they are so insecure that it really shocked them.


It's a late night talk show.  He can say whatever he wants.

It's funny to watch Chinese people get butthurt in hopes of trying to get some money out of this!  The old line "fuck 'em if they can't take a joke" comes to mind.
gsh11042 days ago

interesting ... so you don't want free speech for yourselves .... or citizens of the U.S.
I am so outrage ... I demand apology ....
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John Beal10 hours ago

It appalls me how the chinese people take up their tyrants' ideology putting on the paranoid cloak of wounded national pride,still apparently smarting from late XIXc. British exploitation. Typical of an abusive, despotic regime, ready to cry 'discrimination amounting to genocide!' while hypocritically doing MUCH WORSE THINGS as a matter of the course of their empire.
Kimmel is a tasteless jerk, of course. But China is a menace to humanity and the planet at least as bad as the US.

Vance Joudrey2 days ago

You should be more worried about the Military bases the US is surrounding China with in it's Asian pivot. Or don't. Also -you never even got an apology for the Opium wars - wow, China was so much the UK's bitch on that one. Have you no pride at all that THIS is what you demand the apology for. You've been abused again and again by western powers and you finally pipe up over a talk show host?! Pathetic.

MaxxTheSlash2 days ago

Why does Jimmy Kimmel owe you an apology? He didn't say anything bad, some asshole kid said it. And Jimmy Kimmel doesn't decide what get's shown on TV, it get's submitted to ABC and THEY decide what is shown.

The skit is making fun of how irrational children can be because they don't understand the subject that is being discussed and we're supposed to laugh at the stupid comments they make.
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sanantoniospurs91 day ago

whip out your passports and take it to them then. More action,less word

George Lucas23 hours ago

YOUR ALL COMMUNISTS...YOU DESERVE NOTHING!

Winghan Leung1 day ago

Chinese people are quite arrogant in assuming that Americans are oblivious to the 2nd Sino-Japanese War, Massacre at Nanking, Unit 731.. etc...
Many Americans are well aware of such tragedies
However, they are also aware that China in modern history, whether in Nationalist or Communist incarnations, is not exactly a nation that can call foul on a human atrocity

Brandon Serna7 hours ago

Chinese people sucks a bowl of dicks
dre day1 day ago

He has gone above and beyond apologizing. Now it just sounds like sour grapes. Move on. We all have more important things to do with our lives.

gogerychwyrndrobwll6 days agoin reply to Ray Tan

I don't care what experience you think you have. You're objectively wrong, period. Furthermore, you don't know about my knowledge and expertise, and your childish accusations are completely inadequate. Learn English, and then you can judge Kimmel's intent and phrasing. There's no excuse. I did it, so you can too.
Alan Tam1 day ago

Chinese people need to chill out. It was just a joke. He clowns on everyone including white people. Just stfu and don't watch it then. And this chink on the video needs to stfu. He's an embarrassment to all Chinese people. I'm Chinese btw

James Liang1 day ago

I don't know why people are getting so upset over a segment on a comedy show. I'm Chinese-American and didn't find this offensive at all. It's a little kid saying something stupid, kids say stupid stuff all the time. The people getting upset don't even watch Kimmel and are taking this out of context. This isn't a serious political show, it's a late night talk show going after cheap laughs. If this was a grown man on CNN talking about killing all the Chinese it would be completely different.
1 回复 呆子 2013-11-13 14:21
能理解国人的心情,因为我们的自尊心太强了,等我们的自信心真正强大后就不会这样了。唉。。。
1 回复 chineseman 2013-11-13 19:42
自由之灵: 我干吗要以美国人的行为来规范自己的行为呢?你是不是认为美国白人就是内心强大的一方?我们每个人的喜怒哀乐都应该以作为一个美国白人如何感觉而调整一番,而显 ...
生活经历应该告诉我们,宽容大度会使你朋友多,受尊敬,反之,过敏,任何时候都寸步不让,会使人们对你敬而远之。
2 回复 chineseman 2013-11-13 22:54
穿鞋的蜻蜓: 看YOUTUBE上的留言:

TheDeadGodfather1 day ago

The Chinese have no sense of humor, this was the funniest ever to appear on the Jimmy Kimmel Show. I ...
这正是文章作者担心的- 过敏的行为会招致民众的反感.
要是能翻译一下就好了.
1 回复 chineseman 2013-11-13 22:58
呆子: 能理解国人的心情,因为我们的自尊心太强了,等我们的自信心真正强大后就不会这样了。唉。。。
没错.
过度自尊往往来源于自卑.
在中国人当家作主之后,中国人会挺胸抬头的.
2 回复 笙箫难默 2013-11-14 00:17
我觉得游行并不是因为那个小孩儿,童言无忌。而是节目组和电视台。在种族歧视很敏感的美国,这件事没有引起成人的重视,是因为美国人没把中国人当回事儿。这才是游行的初衷。对华人的歧视是一直存在的,大家心知肚明,只是华人大都以不惹事为原则,能忍就忍了。所以游行也无可厚非,释放释放呗。还有在中国的人可是有我们的父母兄弟,众老乡亲哎。。。
1 回复 chineseman 2013-11-14 01:38
笙箫难默: 我觉得游行并不是因为那个小孩儿,童言无忌。而是节目组和电视台。在种族歧视很敏感的美国,这件事没有引起成人的重视,是因为美国人没把中国人当回事儿。这才是 ...
问题就是能不能对电视幽默上纲上线. 好比一个电视主持人问如何能使厕所保持清洁, 孩子回答说 "把所有人的屁眼都堵上......", 你可选择哈哈一笑,或者选择上街抗议电视台不人道,肮脏, 反人类.....
1 回复 穿鞋的蜻蜓 2013-11-14 08:07
chineseman: 这正是文章作者担心的- 过敏的行为会招致民众的反感.
要是能翻译一下就好了.
已经玩不下去了。关键这是个企图偷梁换柱瞒天过海的把戏,好像振振有词,其实很弱智,根本禁不起推敲。如果真是歧视北美华人的事件,跟“祖国”政府和民族大义没关系,就没有人这么胆壮出风头了,都装深沉了。但现在的问题是,美国人民更火大,这种诡异而大家心知肚明的“群众运动”过了头,就会适得其反,其他族裔都是草根和ACTIVISTS在做,有各种花样,而且是长期的有组织有活动有目标主要是有实实在在的问题。上班族搞政治,得不偿失,还弄个这么脑残的攻击点,可叹。
1 回复 小皮狗 2013-11-14 10:20
robot_wrangler: 非常赞同chineseman的观点!中国政府和它属下的"在中国的人民" - 这些被这个六龄童扬言要"杀光"的对象,都在那里不动声色,稳坐钓鱼台呢,偏我们这些入了美 ...
      
1 回复 chineseman 2013-11-14 11:39
穿鞋的蜻蜓: 已经玩不下去了。关键这是个企图偷梁换柱瞒天过海的把戏,好像振振有词,其实很弱智,根本禁不起推敲。如果真是歧视北美华人的事件,跟“祖国”政府和民族大义没 ...
俺和你意见一致。
1 回复 笙箫难默 2013-11-14 11:52
chineseman: 问题就是能不能对电视幽默上纲上线. 好比一个电视主持人问如何能使厕所保持清洁, 孩子回答说 "把所有人的屁眼都堵上......", 你可选择哈哈一笑,或者选 ...
这是美国,杀人不是随便说的。你让你的孩子上学校去说说看,不理解这个节目却不忌讳。没那么简单。
2 回复 jackcanchn 2013-11-14 20:45
我想这里面的确有文化上的误会,如果是下一代没有在中国生活经历的华裔,他们可能会有不同的解读。但我是支持对此事件发出声音,游行抗议。 作为新一代移民,还属于弱势,ABC是精英媒体,他要考虑播出节目的被接受程度。这是在美国,不是在中国,感觉不爽就喊几嗓子,先不要委屈自己,也没那么多功夫分析来分析去的把问题复化。但希望有您这样的文章事后让我们冷静再分析,处理好新移民与社会的关系。
1 回复 chineseman 2013-11-14 21:04
笙箫难默: 这是美国,杀人不是随便说的。你让你的孩子上学校去说说看,不理解这个节目却不忌讳。没那么简单。
这和具体说要杀人是两回事, 好比说到火星把外星人杀了类似. 也就是中国人会如此敏感. 如果主持人以欠日本债说事就一定不会是这么个下场. 此事给美国媒体的教训肯定是负面的: 中国人是一群神经过敏的家伙, 以后少搭理他们.
2 回复 chineseman 2013-11-14 21:13
jackcanchn: 我想这里面的确有文化上的误会,如果是下一代没有在中国生活经历的华裔,他们可能会有不同的解读。但我是支持对此事件发出声音,游行抗议。 作为新一代移民,还 ...
中国人太缺少呐喊了.关键是呐喊的对象. 共产党那么霸道不讲理 (比如领馆工作人员对待我们的粗暴态度), 中国人都默默忍受着, 现在却为了电视节目里一个孩子的胡言乱语而不依不饶的.
2 回复 笙箫难默 2013-11-15 10:39
chineseman: 这和具体说要杀人是两回事, 好比说到火星把外星人杀了类似. 也就是中国人会如此敏感. 如果主持人以欠日本债说事就一定不会是这么个下场. 此事给美国媒体的教训肯 ...
你还是不了解美国人,我不这么认为。
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