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读《零八宪章》有感

作者：RNSandi  于 2010-10-10 03:00 发表于 最热闹的华人社交网络--贝壳村

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从我本人说起.

我是个比较难管理的人.从小父母就很头疼我的想法思维方式和观念.我总是有自己的想法,而且除非是非常有道理,有证据,合理的不同观点,我很难被他人说服.我是个不喜欢别人走在我前面,也不喜欢在别人前面走的人.我是个中国人.

到底我是不是个典型的中国人,具不具有典型中国人的某种思维特征,我自己认为,我是有的.那是一种从我骨子里发出的倔强,对民族,对国家,对自己中华文化的高傲.　我打心眼儿里感觉这世界上再没有第二个文化是可以与之媲美了!在老美面前,就算我如何抱怨中国的缺点,我的抱怨也是带着尊严和自信,因为我为我是个中国人而感到一百万分的骄傲!这点,在美国其他人对我的歧视对我是没有任何作用的---你歧视我?我还歧视你呢!屁!

我心中为中国的发展繁荣而万分激动!听到周围人开始打算让自己子女学习汉语的时候,我相当的自豪!因为我来自他们希望向往的国家---中国!

我对<零八宪章>的读后感:

先不说这个“诺贝尔”该不该给这个叫刘晓波的人.本身诺贝尔的声誉早已在美国人心中下降了,从07年Al Gore得的那个什么什么环境气候变化的无赖奖开始,到总统都没上任啥都没做的Obama……诺贝尔,,哈~简直是个笑饼啊~~~哈哈哈~~~

再说到<零八宪章>.说实话,在得知刘晓波获奖以前,我根本不知道这个人,也不知道<零八宪章>.我是在看到他获奖消息后才去网上查找<零八宪章>的.结果,挺让我失望的，还不如把美国《宪法》直接翻译过来呢～

1.<零八宪章>并没有新内容.老生常谈,该说的20年前早就说过了,　同样的意思,同样的精神,甚至是同样的文笔!对于我这个年轻一代来讲,这<零八宪章>不像个<宪章>,反倒是听起来像文化大革命时期的口号,像我父母辈人说出的腐朽老话.　可能翻译成英文能好听些?我得再找找英文版本的.

2. 关于<民主>.我个人觉得,可观来讲,　“民主”是个很不错的概念/理念.可我有些不明白的是为什么大家一谈到<民主>,就想到美国???美国是共和国呀!!!难道大家都忘了?中国也是共和国呀(至少名字上是这样:People’s Republic of China). 美国拿着<自由>,<民主>到处收买人心,那是人家的软武器呀~我们怕它啥???　看看历史,美国<收买>的哪个国家是完全单单用<民主>说服来的???哪个不是软硬兼施,笑里藏刀?偷买军火(里根总统),CIA谋杀(伊朗,沙特,瓜地马拉），串通独裁者(智利，墨西哥，古巴，等等等等),本。拉登就是美国一手捧起来的。

3.关于<人权>.我本人认为,<人权>不可能有一个世界统一的定义.<人权>必须建立在尊重一个民族/文化的基础上.忽略一个民族的文化特色和传统,就是不尊重这个民族,就是失败.历史上有个很好的例子:越南战争.我所读过的美国自己对越南战争的经验总结是:　“Ignorance of the history and culture of Vietnam……had led the country into a war that it is now profoundly regretted”. 我不能说中国没有/不可能有西方特色的<人权>(毕竟<人权>这个词是从美国的黑人解放演变而来的,后来由罗斯福夫人Eleanor Roosevelt 提案到联合国,但几十年过去,始终没有一个统一的章法和确切的定义），但中国的<人权>要符合中国历史，中国人文，中国文化！5000年都是封建帝王制度的一个国家怎么会一下子“西化”？开玩笑！（我不是贬低中国的封建制度,每个国家都有自己的制度，历史就是如此向前发展，没有好坏。

如果<人权>本身没有个确切的定义,那么为什么要拿一个经济良好/经济自由度高的国家来比较一个经济差/经济自由度低的国家?这一点,我觉得我们应该分清到底是<人权>还是<经济自由>.<经济自由>是须要时间,须要发展的,而不是<与生俱来>的.

４.关于<自由>.这一话题在美国可是老生常谈了,惨淡到美国人听到<freedom>这个字,嗤之以鼻,有些讽刺的味道.刘晓波的<结社自由>,<集会自由>,<言论自由>,和<宗教自由>是照搬美国30年代的口号,除了这些<自由>,其他还有<freedom from Want>,<freedom from fear>, <freedom of Choice>等等.谈freedom根本就是空话嘛!美国喊了一辈子的freedom,到头谁要是信仰共产主义就是要杀头滴.

说了以上一个比较重要的观念,还有好多好多想分享的.我并不觉得中国政府监禁刘晓波是对的,但我觉得外界不应该干预这件事(只要是外界干预,都是有政治企图的!).刘晓波并不是第一个被国家因为政治言论而受监禁的人，也不是第一个给国家征服提出整改措施的人,在历史上,给美国政府提法案/修正/宪章的人太多了,而且现在读起来都非常合理.给大家个例子:

The Sharon Statement

Adopted in conference at Sharon, Connecticut, on 11 September 1960.

In this time of moral and political crises, it is the responsibility of the youth of America to affirm certain eternal truths.

We, as young conservatives, believe:

That foremost among the transcendent values is the individual's use of his God-given free will, whence derives his right to be free from the restrictions of arbitrary force;

That liberty is indivisible, and that political freedom cannot long exist without economic freedom;(没有经济自由，政治自由不能长久）。

That the purpose of government is to protect those freedoms through the preservation of internal order, the provision of national defense, and the administration of justice;

That when government ventures beyond these rightful functions, it accumulates power, which tends to diminish order and liberty;

That the Constitution of the United States is the best arrangement yet devised for empowering government to fulfill its proper role, while restraining it from the concentration and abuse of power;

That the genius of the Constitution- the division of powers- is summed up in the clause that reserves primacy to the several states, or to the people, in those spheres not specifically delegated to the Federal government;

That the market economy, allocating resources by the free play of supply and demand, is the single economic system compatible with the requirements of personal freedom and constitutional government, and that it is at the same time the most productive supplier of human needs;

That when government interferes with the work of the market economy, it tends to reduce the moral and physical strength of the nation; that when it takes from one man to bestow on another, it diminishes the incentive of the first, the integrity of the second, and the moral autonomy of both;

That we will be free only so long as the national sovereignty of the United States is secure; that history shows periods of freedom are rare, and can exist only when free citizens concertedly defend their rights against all enemies;

That the forces of international Communism are, at present, the greatest single threat to these liberties;

That the United States should stress victory over, rather than coexistance with, this menace; and

That American foreign policy must be judged by this criterion: does it serve the just interests of the United States?

最后，我以个人骨子里的傲气来对世界宣布：

我们中国人的事儿，你少管！

（don't take me wrong.我也是爱美国的，因为美国给我机遇，给我可以奋斗努力的自由，因为美国的资本主义市场经济体和其独有的人文理念。因为爱美国，所以希望去了解，去学习。因为我身在美国，我愿意去同化自己，但这并不代表我要放弃我祖国的文化。我愿意去吸取两种文化中好的东西，而不是腐朽愚昧。这也并不代表我希望中国跟美国一样，而是我希望中国比美国更好！一定会！）

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回复 乌卒卒 2010-10-10 03:08
说得好，顶一个！
回复 珍惜眼前 2010-10-10 03:18
顶！
回复 newyorker92 2010-10-10 03:37
In the past, people even run for the u.s president under communist party.  I never heard anyone got executed for believing in communism.
回复 RNSandi 2010-10-10 03:39
newyorker92: In the past, people even run for the u.s president under communist party.  I never heard anyone got executed for believing in communism.
去查历史。
回复 itute 2010-10-10 03:41
这篇很理性
回复 ManCreatedGod 2010-10-10 03:44
见地非凡！
回复 newyorker92 2010-10-10 03:47
Known officially as the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), the Communist party was formed in the United States in 1919, two years after the Russian Revolution had overthrown the monarchy and established the Soviet Union. Many American Communists had been members of the SOCIALIST PARTY OF AMERICA, but that party's socialist leadership opposed the Russian revolution and expelled those members who supported it. The Communists were even more left-wing than the Socialists and attracted a number of radicals and anarchists as well as Communists. By August 1919, only months after its founding, the Communist party had 60,000 members, while the Socialist party had only 40,000.

The administration of President WOODROW WILSON, fearful that American radicals might attempt to overthrow the U.S. government, began making mass arrests in the fall of 1919. Ultimately, 10,000 suspected subversives were arrested in what became known as the Palmer Raids (after U.S. Attorney General A. MITCHELL PALMER), with 249 deported to Russia. The Palmer Raids ended in May 1920, and the American Communists began to gain strength. In 1924, the party founded a newspaper, The Daily Worker, which, at its peak, had a circulation of 35,000. That same year, the party nominated labor activist William Z. Foster as its first candidate for U.S. president. Foster received 35,361 votes.

In 1932 Communist Party presidential candidate William Z. Foster (left) received 102,991 votes. He is pictured with his running mate James W. Ford, the first African American to run for vice president.
BETTMANN/CORBIS
The death of VLADIMIR LENIN and the rise of JOSEPH STALIN caused dissent among the party in the United States, with some supporting Stalin and others supporting the views of Leon Trotsky. A number of Trotskyists formed the Communist League of America, and by 1920 the American Communist party had only 7,000 members. By then, the party was concentrating on helping to build LABOR UNIONS and improving workers' rights. They lobbied for higher wages, a national retirement program, and unemployment insurance. With so many Americans affected by the Great Depression, the Communist message sounded a note of hope to unemployed workers, and Foster received 102,991 votes in the 1932 presidential election. Still, many people were more comfortable with the less radical Socialist party, whose candidate, Norman Thomas, received 884,781 votes.

The Spanish Civil War created a renewed interest in the Communist party, with many of its members opposing the government of Francisco Franco. Many American Communists went to Spain to fight against Franco's forces. Once again, there was a mounting fear of COMMUNISM in the United States. The Communist candidate for president in 1940, Earl Browder, was forbidden to travel within the United States and had to conduct his entire campaign through written statements and recorded speeches.

During WORLD WAR II, the party had 75,000 members, and 15,000 registered Communists fought against Axis forces in Europe and Asia. The alliance with the Soviets did not survive beyond the war's end in 1945, and a wave of anti-communism swept the United States. Although the Communist party in the United States was arguably less radical than it had been in its early days (in 1948, the party endorsed the PROGRESSIVE PARTY candidate, former Vice President Henry A. Wallace, for President), the COLD WAR created a spirit of considerable distrust. In 1948, a dozen leaders of the party were arrested for violating the Alien Registration Act, which made it illegal to advocate or assist in trying to overthrow the government.

The House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) investigated individuals who were thought to have Communist ties, and Senator JOSEPH R. MCCARTHY (R-Wis.) claimed that Communists had infiltrated the federal government. Although many of these accused Communists had either never been party members or else had been involved briefly in the 1930s when the party was more active in organizing labor, invariably their lives were shattered. Membership in the Communist party dropped to about 10,000 by 1957, even though it was never illegal to be a member.

During the 1960s, the Communist party became involved in the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT and also the antiwar movement. Gus Hall, longtime general secretary of the party, ran for President in 1968 (the party had not run its own candidate since 1940) and received only 1,075 votes. He ran in subsequent years and in 1976 he received 58,992 votes. In 1988, instead of running, Hall pledged his support to JESSE JACKSON, who was seeking the Democratic nomination for president.

In the new millennium, the CPUSA maintains its commitment to the same political ideas that drove the Russian Revolution, but it embraces a more peaceful approach to creating change and social justice. Among the ideas it actively supports are socialized medicine, improved SOCIAL SECURITY benefits, stronger legislation to protect the environment, and full funding for education. The party also seeks greater cooperation with other political groups, believing that the best way to effect change is through the strength of broad-based coalitions.



Read more: Communist Party USA - Further Readings - Communists, President, American, United, Votes, and Received http://law.jrank.org/pages/5468/Communist-Party-USA.html#ixzz11tPsOZ00
回复 newyorker92 2010-10-10 03:47
Known officially as the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), the Communist party was formed in the United States in 1919, two years after the Russian Revolution had overthrown the monarchy and established the Soviet Union. Many American Communists had been members of the SOCIALIST PARTY OF AMERICA, but that party's socialist leadership opposed the Russian revolution and expelled those members who supported it. The Communists were even more left-wing than the Socialists and attracted a number of radicals and anarchists as well as Communists. By August 1919, only months after its founding, the Communist party had 60,000 members, while the Socialist party had only 40,000.

The administration of President WOODROW WILSON, fearful that American radicals might attempt to overthrow the U.S. government, began making mass arrests in the fall of 1919. Ultimately, 10,000 suspected subversives were arrested in what became known as the Palmer Raids (after U.S. Attorney General A. MITCHELL PALMER), with 249 deported to Russia. The Palmer Raids ended in May 1920, and the American Communists began to gain strength. In 1924, the party founded a newspaper, The Daily Worker, which, at its peak, had a circulation of 35,000. That same year, the party nominated labor activist William Z. Foster as its first candidate for U.S. president. Foster received 35,361 votes.

In 1932 Communist Party presidential candidate William Z. Foster (left) received 102,991 votes. He is pictured with his running mate James W. Ford, the first African American to run for vice president.
BETTMANN/CORBIS
The death of VLADIMIR LENIN and the rise of JOSEPH STALIN caused dissent among the party in the United States, with some supporting Stalin and others supporting the views of Leon Trotsky. A number of Trotskyists formed the Communist League of America, and by 1920 the American Communist party had only 7,000 members. By then, the party was concentrating on helping to build LABOR UNIONS and improving workers' rights. They lobbied for higher wages, a national retirement program, and unemployment insurance. With so many Americans affected by the Great Depression, the Communist message sounded a note of hope to unemployed workers, and Foster received 102,991 votes in the 1932 presidential election. Still, many people were more comfortable with the less radical Socialist party, whose candidate, Norman Thomas, received 884,781 votes.

The Spanish Civil War created a renewed interest in the Communist party, with many of its members opposing the government of Francisco Franco. Many American Communists went to Spain to fight against Franco's forces. Once again, there was a mounting fear of COMMUNISM in the United States. The Communist candidate for president in 1940, Earl Browder, was forbidden to travel within the United States and had to conduct his entire campaign through written statements and recorded speeches.

During WORLD WAR II, the party had 75,000 members, and 15,000 registered Communists fought against Axis forces in Europe and Asia. The alliance with the Soviets did not survive beyond the war's end in 1945, and a wave of anti-communism swept the United States. Although the Communist party in the United States was arguably less radical than it had been in its early days (in 1948, the party endorsed the PROGRESSIVE PARTY candidate, former Vice President Henry A. Wallace, for President), the COLD WAR created a spirit of considerable distrust. In 1948, a dozen leaders of the party were arrested for violating the Alien Registration Act, which made it illegal to advocate or assist in trying to overthrow the government.

The House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) investigated individuals who were thought to have Communist ties, and Senator JOSEPH R. MCCARTHY (R-Wis.) claimed that Communists had infiltrated the federal government. Although many of these accused Communists had either never been party members or else had been involved briefly in the 1930s when the party was more active in organizing labor, invariably their lives were shattered. Membership in the Communist party dropped to about 10,000 by 1957, even though it was never illegal to be a member.

During the 1960s, the Communist party became involved in the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT and also the antiwar movement. Gus Hall, longtime general secretary of the party, ran for President in 1968 (the party had not run its own candidate since 1940) and received only 1,075 votes. He ran in subsequent years and in 1976 he received 58,992 votes. In 1988, instead of running, Hall pledged his support to JESSE JACKSON, who was seeking the Democratic nomination for president.

In the new millennium, the CPUSA maintains its commitment to the same political ideas that drove the Russian Revolution, but it embraces a more peaceful approach to creating change and social justice. Among the ideas it actively supports are socialized medicine, improved SOCIAL SECURITY benefits, stronger legislation to protect the environment, and full funding for education. The party also seeks greater cooperation with other political groups, believing that the best way to effect change is through the strength of broad-based coalitions.



Read more: Communist Party USA - Further Readings - Communists, President, American, United, Votes, and Received http://law.jrank.org/pages/5468/Communist-Party-USA.html#ixzz11tPsOZ00
回复 rongrongrong 2010-10-10 03:51
回复 ww_719 2010-10-10 03:56
妹妹说话真是掷地有声呀,哈哈..赞!!!
回复 RNSandi 2010-10-10 03:57
newyorker92: Known officially as the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), the Communist party was formed in the United States in 1919, two years after the Russian Revolut
朋友！你跟我强这个没用的。多多读历史去吧！多方面考察，多看历史书。

给你一个很重要的美国anti-communist人物：Joseph McCarthy.

历史不是口号，而是fact，证据，事实，既是：谁说了什么？谁做了什么？都有什么样的影响？为了什么目的？谁跟谁都是什么关系？

多谢！
回复 ww_719 2010-10-10 03:59
妹妹好厉害呀,难怪有人那么爱你呢,哈哈...
回复 RNSandi 2010-10-10 04:03
newyorker92: Known officially as the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), the Communist party was formed in the United States in 1919, two years after the Russian Revolut
这个叫：Gus Hall的Communist party leader 参加了四届总统竞选,true, but see what happened later：

请查看：http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Hall

“Hall's initial prison sentence lasted for five years”......"During an failed attempt to flee to Moscow, Hall was caught in Mexico City, and ultimately served a total of eight years in Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary"
回复 hr8888hr 2010-10-10 04:03
ww_719: 妹妹好厉害呀,难怪有人那么爱你呢,哈哈...
我超级爱这个小护士了
回复 RNSandi 2010-10-10 04:03
ww_719: 妹妹说话真是掷地有声呀,哈哈..赞!!!
多谢多谢～俺继续努力～
回复 RNSandi 2010-10-10 04:07
newyorker92: Known officially as the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), the Communist party was formed in the United States in 1919, two years after the Russian Revolut
而且，有一点，朋友要弄清楚就是，美国当初的communists大部分是以labor party的身份进行竞选和参加政治活动的，因为当时labor party是美国的主要政党，communism只是理念。
回复 郭凯敏 2010-10-10 04:08
顶一个！
回复 郭凯敏 2010-10-10 04:13
newyorker92: Known officially as the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), the Communist party was formed in the United States in 1919, two years after the Russian Revolut
当外国人申请来美国签证的时候，表格上有一栏，是否参加共产党。如果回答是“是”，对不起，拒签！
回复 BL_518 2010-10-10 04:41
顶！您让我再一次对您刮目相看呢～～
回复 SirCat 2010-10-10 04:47
BL_518: 顶！您让我再一次对您刮目相看呢～～
咱也是
原来以前
一直在糊弄咱们呐
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