马大胡子和挂他名字的主义(慎入, Chinglish)

作者:walkalongg  于 2012-3-2 13:03 发表于 最热闹的华人社交网络--贝壳村

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那天收音机里说起罢工的事。老大问我,他们为什么要罢工呢,弄得人人不方便。而且罢工还合法,拿着社会的资源,要胁民众。这到底是什么回事啊。我叹道,说来话长啊。于是从马克思说起,到近代工人运动,到共产主义运动,信口扯了大约半小时。
 
我以为近代工人运动和后来的人权运动都是我们今天享受的民主制度和普世价值得以成形的主要因素。所以没把大胡子说得极端,也没把共啊资啊的说得那么不堪。
 
我们聊过了大约一星期,逼迫再三,上8年级的老大写下此文。我又在后边把观点补充了一些。我的英文就不用过奖了,给我时间改也好不到哪里去,却失了原汁原味。想了想是只对朋友开放,还是怎么着,上回贴过一个没头没脑的已经挨了几块砖了。就扔出来。谁爱砸谁砸。
 
就当教育孩子的一个案例看吧。

Journal Communism
                A while back my dad talked to me about Karmax's (<--is that how it is spelt?) ideas about communism, and about how bad capitalism is.

                First I will talk about his ideas against capitalism, for capitalism, there is one person or body of people that are extremely rich, that leaves a lot of the workers poor or lower class workers which is not good for the economy.
                Communism is where the community owns everything, which means that there is better public services, better railroads, busses, schools, hospitals, it also means that the government tries to keep everybody equal, and that leads to having an strange but balanced economy, that means that there is a strong government rule and it is really hard to keep the government body in check, that often leads to a government ruled by force, as is the Chinese government.
                However in Canada, we have a free country and we have a democracy, but it seems that our public system really needs work, because we have a free country, the union is able to do what they like, and it is really hard to fight with them because they can just go on strike and it is a lose and lose situation, therefore in some aspects, a communism is better for the public than a democracy.
                But in some cases, such as the freedom of people, it is restricted, such as the fact that the community (aka the government) owns everything, so then the government is all powerful and the community can suffer if the government goes wrong, and there is no force that can contradict the government.
                After all these facts, it seems that there are many differences between communism and democracy, each with their ups and downs, giving them both choices that the other counterpart cannot make.

看完了他写的,我把想法再给他写回去。真的是我写得比他写得还多。但我想他会读,而且会接受一些东西。管他记得多少呢。关键是这种批判式的思维方式。现在看来我粗粗一写,语言和内容的错误都太多了。我也不想改了,就这么着贴出来招砖吧

The name is Karl Marx, a German Jew.
 
Your memory is relatively accurate, but there are a few points.
 
Capitalism looked really like a nightmare to Karl Marx. The riches are greedy and the poor are struggling hopelessly. The economy isn't functioning well because of the imbalance on the contribution of wealth. Human society isn't going anywhere under capitalism.
 
Karl was right. Wealth is power, and the power is always concentrated to a few out of the herd.
 
I don't really know, but I believe it is not Karl who invented the dream of Communism. My understanding is that he portraited capitalism, pretty accurately with his fancy formulas and blablabla that beyond my level of understanding even somebody bother the burden translated into Chinese--I never read it myself, his famous “Capital”.
 
The world heard what Karl said. Some one tried to develop a new system based on his criticism—there comes Russia, China, Cuba…only Cuba is still, “said”, hold these principles. China is currently ruled not by the principles, only the dominant party keep the name as Communism. Russia…only a few old, poor still remember, in their deepest memory, about the old, mighty and rusty system.
 
The system is a dream based on a dream.
 
If Capitalism is so evil, so full of problem, and the source is the individuals owns big wealth privately, so make the wealth own by the public. The public isn't greedy and the public must have a big picture, guess sees further too. So, people can plan everything ahead to avoid economy crisis, and every one get their fair share of the mutual product...sounds really promising.
 
One thing missed--human being is lazy and selfish animal that evoluted from the natural process that follows the natural law, competition.
 
The nature is fair, out of almost every single individual case ends up totally not fair.
 
The world is balanced, based on restless movement between numerous imbalances.
 
There is no way for a society that no body owns any thing—for example, underwear and socks. So if you own, the nature process of accumulation and concentration started until it reach a point that a few own the most and people owns nothing, well, here we get back to the capitalism again. Lazy and selfishness are human nature. No political system can change them. That is why worldwide movement of communism pretty much failed.
 
The capitalism world isn’t totally turns its blind eyes to Karl too.

Social fairness, as a serious issue, was raised, especially Union movement in the late 1900’s. Many strikes held almost every where. People demand higher pay, better working condition…all the good things that the owner of the businesses later realized is actually good for the business.

Ford, for example, famous for his greediness and selfishness, generously raise salary for his worker to the level that they can afford to buy a car they build from their own factory. Well, your worker could be your customer too, isn’t it? And when your worker can afford to buy your own car, their friends and neighbour who isn’t working in your factory may want to buy a car too, therefore create a huge market, and you can make more money…

And as the technology advanced, the workers found them have higher negotiation power over the business owners. The government find out that to let the rich few have too much influent in the political system is actually risky for everyone, so they pass laws to not allow single company control any industry, to bust competition…

Of course there are many unions around nowadays pushed the ball to another direction that makes most people sick, and obviously we can’t blame poor Karl for that.

Before we finish, Poor Karl, btw, is actually pretty poor. He has to ask money from his wealthy friend, or comrade, or tovarishch in Russian, a rich factory owner, Engels. I remember reading this when I was young, that Karl once wrote,” Jenny  (Karl’s beautiful wife) didn’t buy any cosmetic for months, and we can’t always have enough bread to complete a meal”…Engels, to my understanding, is the one responsible for pushing Karl’s research into a revolutionary movement. Yeah, he is the first communist, or Maxist.
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5 回复 JuneRipple 2012-3-2 13:13
sf~~~~
4 回复 ahsungzee 2012-3-2 13:43
我的英文是ESL三月级水平,英文文章是百分百不懂的。这朵花是献给你一片父母心的!
5 回复 Cateye 2012-3-2 14:16
your chinglish is very good.
4 回复 yulinw 2012-3-2 15:37
   佩服你~·俺不和孩子探讨这方面的问题~~
4 回复 trunkzhao 2012-3-2 20:10
这是个大话题,不是一两句话能说清楚的。要想得出自己的观点结论,还真是要好好地看上几本书。如果不想,就简单地借用妖魔化的结论,说不明真相的群众受到了蒙蔽,选择了错误的道路,才造成了人类的浩劫。
每个人都有自己的见解和选择,上一次大选有几个省还有马克思主义党参选,竟然还有万把人把票给了他们。也许这些人都对历史没有什么了解,不知道一旦他们上了台将会是怎样。
4 回复 walkalongg 2012-3-2 21:20
JuneRipple: sf~~~~
嘿嘿,纯表情回贴
5 回复 walkalongg 2012-3-2 21:23
ahsungzee: 我的英文是ESL三月级水平,英文文章是百分百不懂的。这朵花是献给你一片父母心的!
谢谢!很抱歉在中文网站上贴英文。 你是对的,就是想显摆一下和儿子的交流。 至于大胡子,我不是专家,只是说说感觉而已。所以也没动力把我们的东东翻成中文。
4 回复 walkalongg 2012-3-2 21:26
Cateye: your chinglish is very good.
哈哈哈,我这人皮厚,只要是回贴,都当好话听。有兴趣再调侃一下的,更是当大大的好话听。
4 回复 walkalongg 2012-3-2 21:37
yulinw:    佩服你~·俺不和孩子探讨这方面的问题~~
佩服啊。。。我们都是从小给染色几十年。出来后又主动被动的洗脑十来年。政治理念都跟扎染的似的。

跟孩子说这个,该是爸爸的事。平时饭桌上大人讨论什么其实对孩子,尤其是男孩子影响很大。是聊减价信息职场冲突,还是时事政治种族冲突。而且父母的观点是偏向明显还是理性客观,可能对孩子们产生影响呢。因为我知道孩子们在网上什么都看,好象学校里也有时讨论时事议题。爸爸该抓住机会给儿子交流的。导师,早开始作,还能多作几年。

对男孩子,妈妈,作好一个温柔的港湾其实也很重要的。
4 回复 walkalongg 2012-3-2 21:48
trunkzhao: 这是个大话题,不是一两句话能说清楚的。要想得出自己的观点结论,还真是要好好地看上几本书。如果不想,就简单地借用妖魔化的结论,说不明真相的群众受到了蒙蔽 ...
同意。我们不是专家,就是草根而已。

人类社会制度不会一成不变的。二战后的人们以为民主胜利了。还不是有麦卡锡?黑人在公车上还不是要给白人让座?今天的民主都是前人争取来的。乐观一点看,明天的制度一定会比今天更民主更理性。不过是我们身在画中,看不出来罢了。

民主制度不是一切都好,共产主义也不是完全的邪恶。我们又不是职业革命家,要戴着墨镜忽悠人的。就是职业革命家,也不能螳臂挡车啊,只能顺应时事才能推波助澜么。

何况我等升斗小民。草根,就是从土壤里取有用的东西,自顾生长罢了。管他姓资姓共。时时抬头看一眼,发声表达一下观点和关切,也就是了。
5 回复 Cateye 2012-3-2 22:13
walkalongg: 哈哈哈,我这人皮厚,只要是回贴,都当好话听。有兴趣再调侃一下的,更是当大大的好话听。
   没错,就是当好话说滴。那有道人家里讲主人坏话的。
6 回复 walkalongg 2012-3-2 22:21
Cateye:    没错,就是当好话说滴。那有道人家里讲主人坏话的。
是么?以前潜水时,我可是时不常就见到这个村子里有啊,挑着太阳旗的大枪上挂着两只鸡的那种正义之师文明之师。

不过你这个我是真的开玩笑,不会不识好人心的。
4 回复 Cateye 2012-3-2 22:26
walkalongg: 是么?以前潜水时,我可是时不常就见到这个村子里有啊,挑着太阳旗的大枪上挂着两只鸡的那种正义之师文明之师。

不过你这个我是真的开玩笑,不会不识好人 ...
要想出来混江湖,就要学会 ignore 某些人的某些话。挑着太阳旗挂两只鸡,太形象了,你的中文也很好嘛。
4 回复 liuxiaoyu 2012-3-3 05:34
ahsungzee: 我的英文是ESL三月级水平,英文文章是百分百不懂的。这朵花是献给你一片父母心的!
哈哈,同
4 回复 嘻哈:) 2012-3-3 07:54
你儿子好有思想和水平哟,至少比我高,更不用说你了。

学习了!很有意思。在中国每家马恩毛的书都一摞一摞的吧?反正我是读不下去的,如果像你这样抽部分讲解,还是愿意读的。你应该至少把重点翻成中文,使朋友们读起来容易些。其实这也是不错的讨论题,我就想问:好像听说希特勒纳粹也推行或奉行社会主义或国家社会主义,与苏俄和中国的社会主义不一样

呵呵,终于写了篇英文文,满足了太太的写些英文文给儿子读的要求?儿子都上8年级了?还当你小兄弟呢    ,早婚吧   
4 回复 walkalongg 2012-3-3 09:43
Cateye: 要想出来混江湖,就要学会 ignore 某些人的某些话。挑着太阳旗挂两只鸡,太形象了,你的中文也很好嘛。
这个,一篇文章里得你先夸英文,再夸中文,真是,太,太过奖了。下回见面,怕口袋里除了砖头都没别的可用了。
4 回复 walkalongg 2012-3-3 09:53
嘻哈:): 你儿子好有思想和水平哟,至少比我高,更不用说你了。

学习了!很有意思。在中国每家马恩毛的书都一摞一摞的吧?反正我是读不下去的,如果像你这样抽部分讲解, ...
别别,别夸,一夸就膨胀。

我家里,就带来了几本史记,通鉴之类的书。两个大胡子和一个没胡子的书本来就没读过,我也不知道我那些杂碎是怎么七拼八凑来的。

纳粹那个应该跟苏俄的不一样。虽然都是政党独裁和大政府,区别在于资产的公有制还是私有制。

跟女孩子说年龄不太好,我,应该至少比你大个5-6岁的样子吧。我其实给儿子们写了不少英文的东东。这一篇是例子。都是他们写了我的回复比他们的原创还长。
5 回复 yulinw 2012-3-3 10:21
walkalongg: 佩服啊。。。我们都是从小给染色几十年。出来后又主动被动的洗脑十来年。政治理念都跟扎染的似的。

跟孩子说这个,该是爸爸的事。平时饭桌上大人讨论什么 ...
   ,嗯,同意~~总怕自己的偏见影响了孩子,还好是女孩~~
5 回复 walkalongg 2012-3-3 10:41
yulinw:    ,嗯,同意~~总怕自己的偏见影响了孩子,还好是女孩~~
是啊,从教育的角度讲,大人脑子也不一定都清楚,看问题也不一定都全面。其实观点对不对倒是并不太重要的。
5 回复 Cateye 2012-3-3 10:42
walkalongg: 这个,一篇文章里得你先夸英文,再夸中文,真是,太,太过奖了。下回见面,怕口袋里除了砖头都没别的可用了。
我家不是烧砖的,我口袋里没砖头,谁扔给我,我如数奉还,没有存货。
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