也谈利比亚干涉与诛独夫 (ZT)

作者:路不平  于 2011-3-29 00:33 发表于 最热闹的华人社交网络--贝壳村

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也谈利比亚干涉与诛独夫

 

——评兰冠云《卡扎菲,人人得而诛之》

 

美国政府对于简单的干掉卡扎菲可能导致的麻烦,以及班加西那些人究竟是怎么回事,看法还是老辣的,并无一般评论者的天真。法国政府的轻率也是有特殊缘由的,并不是不知道自己轻率,所以后面的立场也在逐渐变化。卡扎菲这个人是比较讨厌,但是没有这个狂人就没有利比亚国家,而只能剩下一些内战不止的部落,何况他的有些政策也还是有其基层的坚定支持者的,把人盾完全当作人质太过武断了吧,想在当前的利比亚搞渐进形式民主更只能是开玩笑。至于所谓“人人得而诛之”,还是问问利比亚人民比较妥当一些吧,毕竟尊重民意才是民主的实质。将心比心,无论中国领导人有多么不堪,比如庚子年的慈禧,精神正常的华人也不会认为他们是所谓“人人得而诛之”者而应该热烈欢迎八国联军入侵吧。美国内战时北军肆行杀掠,南方蓄奴不悛,要是国际社会也动辄来个“人人得而诛之”的干涉,美国人作何感想?国际社会对内战国家的责任应该是调停维和与战乱扶助,设立禁飞区在严峻形式下也算个办法,虽然霸道昂贵了些,但无论如何绝没有为了自家偏见喜好而图省事乱拉偏架、滥用武力的道理。冠云兄作一家之言,也无可厚非,但也要懂得尊重利比亚人民的尊严民意才是,至不济也还是要站在美国人的立场上考虑一些可操作的现实因素吧。利比亚这浑水,如今的美国还趟的起吗?伊拉克的油水美国可还没怎么捞着呢!

 

独夫民贼,人人得而诛之,这种话有些传统儒家常讲,虽然出发点不错,却多少有些把问题简单化了。其实即使独夫民贼,也应该尽可能用礼法加以限制,限制不了也应耐心等待合适的机会以求内部政变解决,而不应该轻易大动干戈的闹革命,关键还是在于应力避如太平天国战争那种令民众遭受双重痛苦却又未必真能解决问题的天下大乱。孟子认为武王伐纣是以至仁伐至不仁,所以不相信血流漂杵的历史记录,就失之于天真了。孔子的眼光就远大的多,所以一方面赞扬武王、批判殷纣,一方面又格外盛赞三分天下有其二而仍然服侍殷纣的文王以及谏止武王伐纣的伯夷、叔齐,就是看到了以破坏礼法来重建礼法的负面影响与有限意义。


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1 回复 snortbsd 2011-3-29 02:33
i think usa was dragged into this saga by europeans. americans are clearly reluctant partner for this event.

but gaddhafi is an easy target: he got almost no credible miltary; he got bad raps from africa (self-styled pan-afica king); from arabs (loud mouth attacking almost every arab country except egypt); staged terrorist attack against the west.

clearly post gaddhafi era would be chaotic for a while. the real question, how much will al qaeda gain strength during this period? don't forget, very large percentage of foreign fighters in iraq were from the east part of libya until gaddhafi brutally suppressed al qaeda activities in libya...
回复 ManCreatedGod 2011-3-29 02:39
1 回复 路不平 2011-3-29 02:55
snortbsd: i think usa was dragged into this saga by europeans. americans are clearly reluctant partner for this event.

but gaddhafi is an easy target: he got  ...
at least Obama is not that committal
回复 路不平 2011-3-29 02:58
ManCreatedGod: 好
回复 snortbsd 2011-3-29 03:19
路不平: at least Obama is not that committal
obama might have to,though now it is reluctant. new government has to include those tribes supporting gaddhafi, but what about those tribes supporting al qaeda? those supporting al qaeda in the east are most organized groups and at least for now operating under the banners of "freedom and democracy".

don't forget, most of now taliban fighters had history with the west in 1980s...
1 回复 路不平 2011-3-29 03:45
snortbsd: obama might have to,though now it is reluctant. new government has to include those tribes supporting gaddhafi, but what about those tribes supporting ...
after this bloodshed, it will be difficult to ask tribes to share one governmant peacefully
回复 snortbsd 2011-3-29 03:57
路不平: after this bloodshed, it will be difficult to ask tribes to share one governmant peacefully
in those tribal politics infested countries, once balance is broken among those tribes, it would take a while to find new balance point...

libya as country was a fruit of deceased colonialism...
1 回复 路不平 2011-3-29 20:00
snortbsd: in those tribal politics infested countries, once balance is broken among those tribes, it would take a while to find new balance point...

libya as c ...
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1 回复 xingzhanyang000 2011-4-25 04:54
中文网,怎么贴子目前看到的都是英文,是不懂中文?他怎么看懂中文文章的,是歧视中文,或歧视中国人,故意不给看?
在美国眼中,利比亚卡扎菲只不过是一个跳蚤,中国的执政者才是他最痛恨的,或第一痛恨的,为什么不在中国设禁飞区,轰炸北京哪?像打伊拉克一样,根本不用通过联合国,不怕中国行使否决权。可见美国也是毫无原则,处理国际事物随心所欲。
1 回复 路不平 2011-4-25 22:10
xingzhanyang000: 中文网,怎么贴子目前看到的都是英文,是不懂中文?他怎么看懂中文文章的,是歧视中文,或歧视中国人,故意不给看?
在美国眼中,利比亚卡扎菲只不过是一个跳蚤, ...
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