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解铃还须系铃人克制黑人之道

作者：fighter8 于 2016-2-17 09:24 发表于最热闹的华人社交网络--贝壳村

通用分类:热点杂谈|已有5评论

关键词：黑人, 平面

在游行酝酿之中，不少华人开始担心游行会造成“华人与黑人对立”。不由得好气又好
笑 -- 想当初，你们在这里反黑幕三，反AA，反SCA 2等等的时候，那种根本不把得罪
黑幕三放在眼里的横劲儿，我再三劝阻警告你们不得要领，最后只好放手。而现在角色
对换，我成了敢跟黑人叫阵的了。其实如果你们当初听了我的，如今事情就不会有这么
严重。在某种程度上说，这是华人只顾讨好白人主流，罔顾黑幕三弱小者利益的恶果。
你们现在需要亡羊补牢犹未未晚。

但同时，一是现在要从头做起都来不及了，二是这次黑人由于自身道德缺点有欺软怕硬
，主动进犯的责任。华人与黑人现在是短兵相接，根本想刻意避开都不可能了。今天看
到新闻，纽约州黑人州议员要求把梁警官以最重程度量刑，也就是要求判15年。看到了
？黑人实际上是我们的source of the problem，问题的根源。我们必须克制他们的进
犯。如果这次华人输大了，他们会得寸进尺的，我们会有更多的危险。

我有跟黑人斗争的丰富经验。克制他们进犯之道，一是进行正面道义谴责，二是让他们
意识到如果跟我们树敌，会使他们在与白人的斗争中遇到更多的障碍，甚至有可能我们
被白人利用来对他们不利。这是唯一会使他们怕我们的震慑手段。我们平时不能做，但是在受到他
们挑衅时作为反击是绝对正当并具有威慑力的手段。

我就有过这样两种对黑人斗争的经验，非常有效。先说正面的道义谴责。

梁警官事件，当然是白人体制对华人的种族歧视- 他们居然把这么爱戴忠诚于他们的华
人给卖给了黑人，可见华人对他们什么也不是！但是白人这样做直接目的是为什么？因
为黑人想要他们这样做。黑人是苦主，黑人想要看到亚裔也受到白人种族主义欺压。黑
人这样做，无论华人对他们如何不友善，都是很不道德的，因为，他们自己都是种族主
义的牺牲者，对其他少数族裔受种族主义害不仅不同情，还与种族主义者共谋，共同以
白人种族主义压迫来伤害其他少数族裔。

几天前梁警官被判罪后我去了CNN网页上有关报道下面发评论，把黑人骂得狗血淋头。
他们本来那个兴奋，到后来全都鸦雀无声了。唯一反驳我的是说华人歧视他们。一个曾
经当过兵的黑人出来跟我理论，说华人如何享受他们斗争来的民权，被我用朝鲜战争带
来了美国历史上第一次取缔种族隔离的历史事实说的哑口无言。我怎么骂的，抄下来给
你们一个榜样。

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3 回复 fighter8 2016-2-17 09:37: 但是，我真正使他们服气的是让他们看到了把我们推向他们的主要敌人 - 白人的危险：我们可能被白人利用对他们的斗争不利。因为我透露了一个信息 - 刘文建警官葬礼时本来纽约警察局几次召唤华人社区要我们组织人马去参加葬礼，而且专门划下一块地留给华人，而华人社区本来就为刘警官之死愤愤不平，且本来就对黑人专门针对亚裔的暴力犯罪非常反感，就准备响应NYPD号召，组织了一千人要去参加，同时华人在讨论举标语抗议针对华人暴力。是我劝说他们不要去的因为我不愿意看到少数民族被分而克之。现在梁警官事件使我感到我错了。。。

这是什么？黑人再傻，也知道了危险！所以他们全都沉默了。我相信会使得不少人开始 second thought。

而且华人不能只说不做。这个游行就是给他们的一个暗示。我们要打出 All lives matter 口号，让他们感到现在他们的反种族主义警察暴力的事业又多了一个可能的威胁。这就是震慑。他们唯一顾忌的。

3 回复 fighter8 2016-2-17 09:42: 以下是我的帖子，写得匆忙，无法斟酌语言，见谅。

I'm still in shock. This is a politically motivated trial and conviction. Every one knows that if Peter Liang were White, he would have never even been tried. He has been made a scapegoat of the White officers. The American society no longer even cares about the minimum appearance of social justice.

And I began to realize that I, and the Chinese community have made a mistake a year ago, when the NYPD called upon the Chinese community a couple of times to attend officer Wenjian Liu's funeral. Liu was shot dead with another Latino officer by a Black. The Chinese community had organized over 1000 people to attend that funeral and hold a protest against violence on the Chinese community for most of the Black violence had been directed at the Asians/Chinese. But then it was me who persuaded them online not to attend the funeral as the NYPD asked, speaking about "divide and conquer"...finally there were only few Chinese went there to rally. That must have disappointed the NYPD who already drew a large area for the anticipated Chinese rally. Now look back, if the rolls were exchanged between Chinese and Blacks, what would the Blacks do? From Peter Liang's case we can imagine. I was wrong.

It's really sad and ironic that the Blacks, as the victims of racism themselves, not only have no sympathy for other people of color's suffering of racism, but also perpetrate White racism onto them. Actually this is not the first time. I myself have the painful experience that Black judges in Federal court, Northern California, Judge Hamilton and Armstrong, who so vigorously defended the White racist professor and government officials that I was suing for racism, they dismissed my civil rights cases through ways of criminally fabricating evidences and perjuring themselves, all documented in black and white court documents. I even made criminal complaints against them to the FBI. Of course the FBI and DOJ all harbored them. Despite so, I did not hold grudge against the whole Black community. Now it looks like it's not only those Blacks in the house, but likely most of them in the US, have turned into accomplices of White racism. It's sad and it's something that the Chinese have to prepare themselves for.

4 回复 fighter8 2016-2-17 09:51: 看到了，我骂他们与白人种族主义者的共谋进犯华人，暗示我们也可能会有机会以其人之道还以其人之身。他们不可能不怕。

至于如果他们想暴力进犯，前些日子不是有个老中夫妇枪击抢劫黑人打死打伤了他们吗？那也是一种震慑。

对欺软怕硬的人群，逃避绝对只会招致对方的得寸进尺，陷自己于更大的困境。

这或许就是没有枪弹硝烟的1992洛杉矶大暴动黑人攻击韩国人事件的回放。我们唯一必须做的是奋勇打回去，一锤定乾坤。

10 回复 fighter8 2016-2-17 10:01: You need to stop. Black people throughougt this thread and other threads are talking about how if he was white he wouldn't have gotten convicted. It seems like you are falling for the divide and conquer. He did something wrong, and he should be reprimanded in some way. You are emotional about this case and trying to down play the systematic racism towards Blacks because you are now starting to feel a little of it yourself. You have the nerve to convince yourself to blame Blacks when the racist system turns its back on you. It's all good when Black people are doing all the suffering and fighting for all the rights that other minorities get to enjoy, all the while thinking they are better than Blacks. The system that protected some of the white officers did not protect him. Place your blame where it belong.

Tusia DeGraffenried You want me to place the blame only to the White racism? Every body knows it's White racism, but the Blacks also share the blame, since you can't conspire with the Whites to intentionally perpetrate White racism to other minorities, then triumphantly and gleefully tell the minorities, see, don't you think you are White, and then expect the minorities to only blame Whites. And since when the other minorities would think they are White? Me, a Chinese, have been fighting racial persecution on me for over 20 years.

5 回复 fighter8 2016-2-17 10:52: 然后我又反驳她说的其他少数族裔受益于黑人民权运动说我们大家相互都受益因为中国人也对消除种族隔离做出来贡献，民权运动不是黑人独自能够成功的：

我： "Black people are doing all the suffering and fighting for all the rights that other minorities get to enjoy"? The victory of the Civil Rights Movement was due to the rise of all people of color around the global. To be more specific, it was the Korean War that the Chinese shaded blood for, force the US government to abolish the racial segregation in US army. That was the first time in US history, 10 years before your civil rights movement. We all benefited from each other's struggle, don't take all the credit and always pose like we other minorities owe you. I will post the story about the Korean War and segregation here that I saw somewhere on the FB. What do you think you alone can just march and then win over the Whites? You can't even win over Ferguson.

黑人不相信我说的朝鲜战争一事：I said thank you about the Army. I served in the Army for many years, and the desegregation during that time most likely had more to do with a demand for manpower.

我就把故事简单讲了一遍，把黑人连的照片都贴出来了：the desegregation during that time most likely had more to do with a demand for manpower? No. The US army had had numerous wars before and the lack of man power was never dealt with in way of desegregation. It was all because the Chinese army defeated the Black unites, the Blacks could no longer fight like before in the previous wars, they began to run away from the field. Then a whole large field unite, 123 people, together surrendered themselves to the Chinese army. The Chinese army surrounded them but did not attack, the Blacks tried to break out but could not. Chinese just asked them to surrender, saying they are being used by the White imperialists, we will treat you equally like White soldiers. , then they surrendered. After that a US army general immediately requested desegregation in whole US army, got approved by DOD, and two months later from that battle, the whole US army desegregated. This is what I can remember, I need to go to find that post I saw on Chinese Internet, will post it here. They even have the photos of those Black soldiers who surrendered. Very interesting story.

This was an unintended help on the Chinese side, but it did make the desegregation happen in US for the first time. The US feared really not much about just some marches, they feared some powers that can war with them. So just like you said, the civil rights movement "has benefitted them for sure" (the other minorities), the Korean war has also benefited the Blacks too.

Let me try to post the Black soldiers' photo here. For that battle, the Chinese casualty:1, the Blacks: 23, as I remember. http://blogfile.ifeng.com/.../908583...

Since that battle, the US army could no longer trust the Blacks to fight on their own alone, and they could not exempt the Blacks from fighting the war, like that US general asked before, because Blacks had a big population. So the only solution was to desegregation.

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