哥大悟之十:一场瞬间流局的嘴皮子慈善

作者:jadepython  于 2012-8-22 21:15 发表于 最热闹的华人社交网络--贝壳村

作者分类:哥大悟|通用分类:热点杂谈|已有33评论

关键词:慈善, 反共, 肉联, 大悟

昨天某人介绍个项目,就几十页的细则谈了很晚,心里钱途漫漫,俗人小气的俺,昏昏地睡了几个钟头。满脑子的合同,还不如先悟上一悟, 去些铜臭气,好迎接今日灿烂的朝阳。

因为近日在肉联网上跟大版主较劲,恰逢一小版主扔出了几张可怜的山区失学贫困儿童照片,唉,当爹的人,最看不得这些。心头一热坏水一泛,点了4个民运逗士的名,认捐2222刀,并叫板问这些平时口水泛滥的慷慨民主人士,敢不敢象平时互挠后背一般的默契,跟上同样数额,成此美事一桩?

虽然结果是预料之中,但是平日反华的激昂,对应今朝无果的沉默。这种天地黑白般的对照,还是让洒家小小地叹为观止了一下。

今早再上来看看肉联那些乱七八糟的慈善想法,很不意外地沉到了坛子的第N页,一场本来能让好多个儿童过上一个好2012年的小小较劲,就这样再也不会有人提起。

其实中国的很多事情就是这样,国人不是没有热心,也不是没有资源。只不过当人人把嘴皮子磨的冒泡,却把捐钱这种最简单的一步,要排在讨论意图,方法,格调,渠道,讨论动机真心高调低调。。。之后的之后。那个哥从来就没教会平日大言炎炎的讲师童鞋的,伟大的知行合一理念,就成了国人永远学不会的一堆故纸。

你要想弄明白一件事情,手上翻开书本的同时,脚下一定要迈出第一步。不是之前,也不是之后。不然那不叫合一,也成不了任何事,包括反共反华。

这还没有完。

哥在想这些慈善事情的时候,一个封尘多年的名字,武训,突然就跳了出来。人老了,思维往往就是这样,一些当年俺老爹偶尔提起的小事情小人物,往往在最想象不到的时机,鲜活地跳了出来。

武训到底是个什么人,干了什么事,年纪比较轻的自己放狗去找。这个60年前惹的全中国天翻地覆讨论的清末人物,办了三个义学。最让人惊讶感慨的,是他用沿乞讨的方式集资,他找来认捐的乡绅,在喂他们大吃大喝盛情款待的时候,自己默默地在门外作知客,要么就在门内作跑堂。。最后以乡绅的残羹果腹。

这是一种多么不要脸的知行合一啊?

所以今天呢,俺也不要脸一回,再牺牲一个马甲,再冒着被某些肉联版主或其狗腿子用HACKTOOL32病毒攻击的风险,贴上这一贴。看看集体失语的各位民运逗士,到底还有没有一点可以被救赎的资质。

按说人家喀嚓了俺这么多次,俺还来这肉联搅和,可真是够不要脸的了,不过自比武训,俺觉得俺这不要脸实在是太小儿科了,所以俺这脸,还得再不要一次。哈哈。

这是大悟系列的最后一篇,哥的想法非常简单,就是用这十大悟,好好地曝一曝这些今天反华逗士,明天的GCD #2的反智行为和思维,到底是多么的不靠谱。希望中华这百年的可悲轮回,不要在民智渐开的祖国重演。

就酱紫。。打腰去咧,洗净中年猥琐男的一身腌臜气,太阳真好。

PS:顺便回一回人家说俺被封了还想办法发言违法。。俺的理解,互联网是个公用空间,你可以说肉联的服务器是你家的私产,我也可以说浏览器键盘是我的私产。只要我没有造成你经济上的损失,你的注册是开放的,你的网页是开放的。那所谓我在你家地盘上混的说法,是句非常可笑的P话。当然你可以使劲删帖子,删ID,封IP(可不包括你昨天用HACKTOOL攻击我哦,呵呵,警告你一句)。哥从来不抱怨版主删这删那,这是你的权利,就如同我一分钟注册个马甲,换个EMAIL,换个IP一样,也是我的权利。

当然,如果某忽悠的目的不是说道理,就是等哥说话不方便,敲敲边鼓泄私愤,想知道来龙去脉的,可以去看哥本来不想贴的一片恶搞檄文:从某大忽悠的身上看某地某些人的劣根性:

https://www.backchina.com/chineseblog/201208/user-327777-message-159169-page-1.html

其实这也可以理解,不过千万劳驾,甭包装成自己不愿意高调作慈善。。呵呵,四十好几的人了,除了自己,还能骗谁呢?


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1 回复 甜,不甜 2012-8-22 21:31
对胆小口大之人,如能作出'熊胆'之'壮举',也要有豹胆之财力。口若悬河,吐沫横飞之后之后,也不见捐款之行动,想必财力撑不起腰杆。(见谅暂以我小人之心,度君子之腹)
0 回复 jadepython 2012-8-22 21:38
甜,不甜: 对胆小口大之人,如能作出'熊胆'之'壮举',也要有豹胆之财力。口若悬河,吐沫横飞之后之后,也不见捐款之行动,想必财力撑不起腰杆。(见谅暂以我小人之心,度君 ...
Wait and see. 俺本来每年都要捐的。。咋捐不是捐,几千块。。哥还真没放在眼里。。拿来顺便玩闹一下,俺觉得挺好。哈哈。
1 回复 早安太阳 2012-8-22 22:24
大哥,你四十好几的人,除了骗你自己,好像顺带着把我也骗了。我看你的博客,看的晕晕乎乎的,貌似你以一种痞子的语气在调侃你君子的心态和做法,我鲜花了。如果献错了,见谅哈~
1 回复 jadepython 2012-8-22 22:54
早安太阳: 大哥,你四十好几的人,除了骗你自己,好像顺带着把我也骗了。我看你的博客,看的晕晕乎乎的,貌似你以一种痞子的语气在调侃你君子的心态和做法,我鲜花了。如果 ...
姐们说的好。。这事儿渊源可长。。哈哈。
0 回复 早安太阳 2012-8-22 23:03
jadepython: 姐们说的好。。这事儿渊源可长。。哈哈。
哈哈,能当哥的姐,咱没白混,这个鲜花没白扔~
0 回复 jadepython 2012-8-22 23:19
早安太阳: 哈哈,能当哥的姐,咱没白混,这个鲜花没白扔~
姐到底是哥啊还是姐啊。。。
0 回复 i0u 2012-8-22 23:33
慈善 and 较劲 are different things, respect you to 较劲, but not through 慈善, especially money involved. I just don't think you got anything proved through this way.
0 回复 jadepython 2012-8-22 23:42
i0u: 慈善 and 较劲 are different things, respect you to 较劲, but not through 慈善, especially money involved. I just don't think you got anything proved t ...
To  be honest with you DragonDragon, it was just a mind game. I will donate that amount regardless what happens.... The only thing I wanted to see was if they value their egos first, or the well-beings of those children first......show-boat their narcissistic repetitive eloquences first, or start soul-redemption spontaneous actions first....

Unfortunately it is always the former cases - and that was not unexpected.

Don't worry, the children will not be the collateral damage here - they will get what they deserve - in any case :)
0 回复 i0u 2012-8-23 00:04
jadepython: To  be honest with you DragonDragon, it was just a mind game. I will donate that amount regardless what happens.... The only thing I wanted to see was ...
Well, we have different point of view on this one, there are people who has big ego but in reality, with shallow pockets, and it is not necessarily say those people are cheap toward kindness. Overall, money is easiest way to donate when you have plenty.

I just don't think back someone into the corner to prove they are shorter is a fair game.

I know you are such a kind person, just please don't grow too much teeth around your kindness heart.
1 回复 jadepython 2012-8-23 00:16
i0u: Well, we have different point of view on this one, there are people who has big ego but in reality, with shallow pockets, and it is not necessarily sa ...
You are a genuine kind person...I guess just hate to see those wannabes put on disguise to fake dragondragon :)

It is just...I am kinda pessimistic about the power of kindness alone. Sometimes you have to rely on tangible means...be it a harsh critic or a small amount of money.
0 回复 i0u 2012-8-23 00:51
jadepython: You are a genuine kind person...I guess just hate to see those wannabes put on disguise to fake dragondragon :)

It is just...I am kinda pessimistic a ...
I agree with you on sometimes,  tangible means or harsh critic would help to speed up the progression, and sometime it can also be double edged sword.

Kindness and assimilation are two other fundamental things we also need, it may seems having very slow influence, but for sure last longer, talking about why our culture still exist among the cradle of civilizations.

sigh~~~again,  think I talk too much today, and there are no right or wrong answers, good thing is at least we can talk about it
0 回复 妞儿 2012-8-23 02:46
现在才知道来龙去脉,其实吧,捐不捐,自己知道就行了~你把捐钱和跟他们叫板混为一谈,该打。他们应了,你就一定会捐?他们不应,你就不捐?7~~~~~~~~~~
0 回复 jadepython 2012-8-23 02:48
妞儿: 现在才知道来龙去脉,其实吧,捐不捐,自己知道就行了~你把捐钱和跟他们叫板混为一谈,该打。他们应了,你就一定会捐?他们不应,你就不捐?7~~~~~~~~ ...
笨妞了吧。。哥本来就是叫板不叫板,每年都要捐的呀。。SUNK COST, 拿来玩TA们的呀。。哈哈。
0 回复 妞儿 2012-8-23 04:09
jadepython: 笨妞了吧。。哥本来就是叫板不叫板,每年都要捐的呀。。SUNK COST, 拿来玩TA们的呀。。哈哈。
你就得瑟吧你~~~~~~~~~~~
0 回复 JuneRipple 2012-8-23 05:51
i0u: I agree with you on sometimes,  tangible means or harsh critic would help to speed up the progression, and sometime it can also be double edged sword. ...
Talking without action can go either way, either right or wrong, depending on the parties who are debating.  In this regard, I don't think anyone would be successful in converting and recruiting the other camp.  Just such plain darn reality!   

However, when it comes to things as concrete as an action, ethics are usually involved.  Often when we talk about ethics, we are justifying our actions by saying they are right/ wrong relative to the other's.  

That's why DaShe got his point.  Quite good job in laying out his points.  I do agree with 99% of them.  The 1% that I don't agree with is "知行合一“ must have to be concretely reflected through an immediate "tangible" action, such as donating $2222. There are other ways to achieve that reunion, and the process of such reunion is not static and exclusive.  In other words, you don't have to provide direct service or goods; you can do other things indirectly beneficial to that group of people.  

Another reason I am bit shun away from the idea of donation is although donating a chunk money as big as $2222 is truly impressive, it actually makes me ponder how much effect it would result in its target population - the children depicted in all of those gloomy bleak pictures.  This is something I am really concerned about.  

This reason is self explanatory given the considerations to the system, the corruption.... So I usually don't donate unless I know who is handling the money.

I am not cold; my heart always goes out to them when I see pictures like these.  But I am even more sad when I have to see resources like the donations from all the heavenly good hearts go down the drain!  

Because of that, I guess I am even more miserably pessimistic than DaShe, as he still donations, although in such flamboyant way.....

Well, too much being said... I am getting too philosophical...but I'd rather see the world in this way when I see things like those children's lives because I feel powerless in making changes in their lives.  There are just way many hurdles between.  

You might argue that at least I can try to donate.  Although the corruption exists, there is always some money going to the other end.  Well, if you say so, you might have got a point unless I ask to you to show me the evidence.  But would it make the whole process even more convoluted?

so keep it simple.  talking with action is better than talking without action.  When there is tentatively no action, then say nothing.
0 回复 jadepython 2012-8-23 06:46
JuneRipple: Talking without action can go either way, either right or wrong, depending on the parties who are debating.  In this regard, I don't think anyone woul ...
某云,

First of all, I am only speaking for myself for the amount. The $2222 was merely a bashing blow to those big-mouth-Rolians, not a tool or trick to solicit more dollars from perspective true-hearted donors.

In terms of 知行合一,The reason I called for chipping in the dollars first and asking people to follow suit, aside from playing  the matching game mentioned above, is because I firmly believe it is THE most fateful first step one could take to actually make this charity event reality.

You could talk and talk, debate and debate, evaluate and evaluate, convince and convince...at the end of the day, you will find people start losing passion, getting tangled up with fine details and drifting apart... and you would need a charismatic leader to convince or even coerce the group back on track.

That rarely happens, because those leaders are born and they don't come in dozens. You would be lucky to work with one in person in your whole life.

So it is actually really simple if you just start act spontaneously by donating a few bucks, these few bucks will buy you a group of people with this magical “stickiness”: They will then trying to find a channel to funnel these money to a consensual initiative -- just like the “life finds a way” in Jurassic Park  

To orchestrate a group people like that is a much easier job. You basically just need an accountant and a voting machine.

This is why I am saying talking is cheap and acting is gold, not because the latter is more more noble than the former, it is because the latter leads to results and keeps the project on track.

But you wouldn't know all these - unless you chip in the first dollar.

Mark my word: The Rolia thing 樱桃果果 is organizing, will not have any significant outcome unless they start chipping in right now -- not because I wish them to fail, because they already failed --- right at the starting line.
0 回复 JuneRipple 2012-8-23 09:15
jadepython: 某云,

First of all, I am only speaking for myself for the amount. The $2222 was merely a bashing blow to those big-mouth-Rolians, not a tool or tric ...
Don't get me wrong.  I actually admire people like you who can jump in and start doing things right away.  And I also believe physically doing thing is eventually THE WAY to make things really happen. :-)

You seem to be much more like a doer than me. I am not saying I am not a doer.  Actually I am, too.  But, I tend to be more on the observer side first when it comes to the resource issue.  hehe, I am quite stingy in a sense.  But when we talk about resources, we must have to be stingy.  Don't you think so? The attitude toward utilizing resources is it is not like we should not spend any resources; it is like how we should maximize the use of resources.  

Money is one of the resources.  It is repugnant to see resource is being suck in some greedy hands when it could actually be utilized in a much more meaningful way.  That's why I want to know the process of using the money before I donate.  

Therefore, from this perspective, I kind of understand those Rolians who are compassionate to initiate such action.  They might be just like me in some ways.  They want to do something good but also worry about the system over there.  So, I wouldn't consider them being like the people who are only fond of talking, talking...

Although I understand there are ones who are only good talking.  So I understand why you challenged them to follow you.  Yes, this can be a good way to illustrate "知行合一", but it is not the only way.  

So I'd suggest give them some time and believe they will follow you somehow in some other ways in some days.  That's what I meant "知行合一" does not have to be solely reflected through donation.  Perhaps, one saying made years ago can reunite with one deed many years later, as long as one keep his/her action consistent with his/her ideas.

Look, in this sense, I am less pessimistic than you!  I still believe the good sides of people, although I myself choose to talk only with action!
0 回复 i0u 2012-8-23 09:17
JuneRipple: Talking without action can go either way, either right or wrong, depending on the parties who are debating.  In this regard, I don't think anyone woul ...
我同意你的观点,知行要合一才真正有意义;有知无行不过是空谈,有行无知为莽撞。大蛇本身就是知行合一很好的例子,这应该也是他事业小有所成的原因。但所谓的知行合一究竟是律己还是律他,我和大蛇的意见是不同的。我没有大蛇的见识和学识渊博,更没有他的胆识和魄力,他的做法很可能比我的有效,但我依然相信人性本善,知源于书本,行效仿于榜样。

对于慈善,如果说每一分钱对于贫困的孩子都是帮助。那么问题如果变成:贫困孩子可以的得到10块钱,但捐款人要付出100块的成本把这10块钱送到孩子手里。我们是不是依然愿意捐款呢。很多的时候,我的想象会束缚我自己,不过是因为我自认看透了社会黑暗的本质,但如果社会并不是我想象的那么黑暗呢......社会上究竟是好人多,还是坏人多呢? 我承认,我仍然很幼稚。

的确,钱是做善事最简单的方法,当我更在乎我的时间时,钱是很容易给我买一个内心的平安的。在我做不到用余生的精力去行善时,花二千大洋,一个星期的薪水便成了更容易的选择,难道不是么。我是个凡人,做自己能力以内的,所以,我接受自己局限。至于将来,引用你的话:“ talking with action is better than talking without action. When there is tentatively no action, then say nothing.”
0 回复 JuneRipple 2012-8-23 09:34
i0u: 我同意你的观点,知行要合一才真正有意义;有知无行不过是空谈,有行无知为莽撞。大蛇本身就是知行合一很好的例子,这应该也是他事业小有所成的原因。但所谓的知 ...
是啊,知行合一不一定必须同时发生。有些时候,一个inspiration 需要很长时间才能actualized.

大蛇也对,你总得迈出第一步吧。对于他来说,他的第一步可能很轻松,但是不见得谁都跟他一样吧?再说,有些钱有的,也不能强求谁都跟他一样不care这钱怎么用吧?

donation可以就像扔个钱进捐款箱那么简单,也可以很复杂,比如去查找到底donation都干了些什么?是肥了某些人的肚肠呢?还是真正去了孩子们的身上?我个人比较care后者。

这不像地震捐款。那是一次性的。像那些孩子们,是需要长时间的帮助,不光是金钱上的,更多的,我想要从社会环境着手,那才是根本的。

但这后者,似乎有点遥不可及。
0 回复 jadepython 2012-8-23 09:59
i0u: 我同意你的观点,知行要合一才真正有意义;有知无行不过是空谈,有行无知为莽撞。大蛇本身就是知行合一很好的例子,这应该也是他事业小有所成的原因。但所谓的知 ...
呵呵,再讲下去,恐怕真成了人生哲学的角度和差异了。

其实我们说的可能不一定是一件事的同一个角度。我这个人比较右,比较看重“术”的作用,龙大概是讲“仁”的力量,云大概是讲的是“势”。

术比较有效,但心术不正就瞬间完菜。
仁是永远的,但在人性弱点前会前进得很艰苦。
势,是要时间和耐心积累调整的。

我想可能大家都有道理吧。至于有多少比例的钱被贪了这种想法,俺感性地讲过一个老生常谈的小故事:

一个孩子在海边,把退潮滞留在沙滩上的小银鱼一条条扔回到海里。。旁边的路人不禁问他:傻孩子,这千百万条小鱼,你一条一条扔,有什么用呢?

孩子没有吭声,低头看着手里的小鱼,轻声说:

“对这一条有用”。

。。。。

我觉得,虽然要考虑损耗和规避污浊的系统,但是还是尽量希望,对某一个我们未必谋面的不幸中有幸的孩子,有用吧。

再说,哥说过,为善,更多的是修心么,呵呵,咋都不吃亏。
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