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12. Memorandum of Conversation

Beijing, February 17-18, 1973, 11:30 p.m.-1:20 a.m.

PARTICIPANTS

Mao Tsetung, Chairman, Politburo, Chinese Communist Party
Chou En-lai, Premier of the State Council
Wang Hai-jung, Assistant Minister of Foreign Affairs
Tang Wen-sheng, Interpreter
Shen Jo-yun, Interpreter
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs
Winston Lord, NSC Staff

(At 11:00 p.m. February 17, 1973 at a meeting in a villa near the
Guest House where Dr. Kissinger and his party were staying, Prime
Minister Chou En-lai informed Dr. Kissinger that he and Winston Lord
were invited to meet with Chairman Mao Tsetung at 11:30 p.m. that
evening. He told Dr. Kissinger that he would come to the Guest House
shortly to escort him to the Chairman's residence.

Dr. Kissinger and his delegation members at the meeting went
back to the Guest House. Prime Minister Chou En-lai came to the Guest
House at 11:20 p.m. and rode with Dr. Kissinger to Chungnahai. Mr.
Chu, Deputy Director of Protocol, accompanied Mr. Lord. Prime Minister
Chou En-lai escorted Dr. Kissinger into the outer room of the Guest
House and then through another room to Chairman Mao's sitting room.

The Chairman was helped up from his chair by his young female
attendant and came forward to greet Dr. Kissinger. Photographers took
pictures. He welcomed Dr. Kissinger and Dr. Kissinger pointed out that
it was almostly exactly a year ago that he had first met the Chairman.
The Chairman then greeted Mr. Lord and commented that he was so
young, younger than the interpreters. Mr. Lord replied that he was in
any event older than the interpreters. The Chairman then motioned to
the large easy chairs and the parties sat down. The photographers continued
to take pictures.)

Chairman Mao (As he headed toward his chair): I don't look bad,
but God has sent me an invitation.
(To Mr. Lord) You are a young man.

Mr. Lord: I am getting older.

Chairman Mao: I am the oldest among those seated here.

Prime Minister Chou: I am the second oldest.

Chairman Mao: There was someone in the British Army who was
opposed to the independence of your country. Field Marshal Montgomery
was one of those to oppose your policy.

Dr. Kissinger: Yes.

Chairman Mao: He opposed the Dulles policy. He probably
doesn't oppose you anymore. At that time, you also opposed us. We
also opposed you. So we are two enemies (Laughter).

Dr. Kissinger: Two former enemies.

Chairman Mao: Now we call the relationship between ourselves
a friendship.

Dr. Kissinger: That's our sentiment.

Chairman Mao: That's what I am saying.

Dr. Kissinger: I have told the Prime Minister that we speak to no
other country as frankly and as openly as we do to you.

Chairman Mao (To the photographers): That's all for you.

[The photographers leave.]

But let us not speak false words or engage in trickery. We don't
steal your documents. You can deliberately leave them somewhere and
try us out. Nor do we engage in eavesdropping and bugging. There is
no use in those small tricks. And some of the big maneuvering, there
is no use to them too. I said that to your correspondent, Mr. Edgar
Snow. I said that your CIA is no good for major events.

Dr. Kissinger: That's absolutely true. That's been our experience.

Chairman Mao: Because when you issue an order, for example,
when your President issues an order, and you want information on a
certain question, then the intelligence reports come as so many
snowflakes. We also have our intelligence service and it is the same
with them. They do not work well (Prime Minister Chou laughs). For
instance, they didn't know about Lin Piao. (Prime Minister Chou
laughs) Then again they didn't know you wanted to come.
I read two articles in 1969. One of your Directors of your China
desk in the State Department wrote an article later published in a Japanese
newspaper.

Dr. Kissinger: I don't think I read that.

Prime Minister Chou: I hadn't mentioned it to you before.

Dr. Kissinger: No.

Chairman Mao: Your business was done well. You've been flying
everywhere. Are you a swallow or aeon? (Laughter) And the Vietnamese
issue can be counted as basically settled.

Dr. Kissinger: That is our feeling. We must now have a transitional
period toward tranquility.

Chairman Mao: Yes, that's right.

Dr. Kissinger: The basic issues are settled.

Chairman Mao: We also say in the same situation (gesturing with
his hand) that's what your President said when he was sitting here,
that each side has its own means and acted out of its own necessity.
That resulted in the two countries acting hand-in-hand.

Dr. Kissinger: Yes, we both face the same danger. We may have to
use different methods sometimes but for the same objectives.

Chairman Mao: That would be good. So long as the objectives are
the same, we would not harm you nor would you harm us. And we
can work together to commonly deal with a bastard. (Laughter)
Actually it would be that sometime we want to criticize you for a
while and you want to criticize us for a while. That, your President
said, is the ideological influence. You say, away with you Communists.
We say, away with you imperialists. Sometimes we say things like that.
It would not do not to do that.

Dr. Kissinger: I think both of us must be true to our principles.
And in fact it would confuse the situation if we spoke the same language.
I have told the Prime Minister that in Europe you, because of
your principles, can speak more firmly than we can, strangely enough.

Chairman Mao: As for you, in Europe and Japan, we hope that
you will cooperate with each other. As for some things it is alright to
quarrel and bicker about, but fundamental cooperation is needed.

Dr. Kissinger: As between you and us, even if we sometimes criticize
each other, we will coordinate our actions with you, and we would
never participate in a policy to isolate you. As for Japan and Europe,
we agree that we should cooperate on all essential matters with them.
Europe has very weak leadership right now.

Chairman Mao: They don't unite with each other.

Dr. Kissinger: They don't unite, and they don't take farsighted
views. When they are confronted with a danger they hope it will go
away without effort.

Prime Minister Chou: I told Dr. Kissinger you [the U.S.] should
still help Pompidou.

Chairman Mao: Yes indeed.

Dr. Kissinger: We are doing our utmost, and we will do more.

Chairman Mao: (Gesturing with his hands) Now Mr. Pompidou is
being threatened. It is the Socialist Party and the Communist Party putting
their strength against him.

Dr. Kissinger: Yes, and they have united.

Chairman Mao: (Pointing at Dr. Kissinger) They are uniting and
the Soviet Union wants the Communist Party to get into office. I don't
like their Communist party, just like I don't like your Communist party.
I like you, but not your Communist party. (Laughter)
In the West you always historically had a policy, for example, in
both World Wars you always began by pushing Germany to fight
against Russia.

Dr. Kissinger: But it is not our policy to push Russia to fight against
China, because the danger to us of a war in China is as great as a war
in Europe.

Chairman Mao: (Before Dr. Kissinger's remarks are translated, he
makes remarks in Chinese and counts on his fingers. Miss Tang then
translates Dr. Kissinger's remarks and after that Chairman Mao's
remarks.)
What I wanted to say is whether or not you are now pushing West
Germany to make peace with Russia and then push Russia eastward.
I suspect the whole of the West has such an idea, that is to push Russia
eastward, mainly against us and also Japan. Also probably towards
you, in the Pacific Ocean and the Indian Ocean.

Dr. Kissinger: We did not favor this policy. We preferred the German
opposition party which did not pursue this policy. (Chairman
Mao, smoking a cigar, offers cigars to Dr. Kissinger and Mr. Lord who
decline.)

Chairman Mao: Yes, that's our feeling. We are also in favor of the
opposition party in Germany.

Dr. Kissinger: They conducted themselves very stupidly.

Chairman Mao: Yes, they were defeated. The whole of Europe is
thinking only of peace.

Prime Minister Chou: The illusions of peace created by their leaders.

Dr. Kissinger: Yes, but we will do our best to strengthen European
defenses and keep our armies in Europe.

Chairman Mao: That would be very good.

Dr. Kissinger: We have no plan for any large reduction of our forces
in Europe for the next four years (Chairman Mao turns to Prime Minister
Chou).

Prime Minister Chou: In talking about reducing your troops, you
mean only at the most 10 to 15 percent.

Dr. Kissinger: That is exactly correct.

Chairman Mao: What is the number of American troops in Europe?
They are probably mostly rocket units.

Prime Minister Chou: There are between 300-350,000 including the
Mediterranean.

Chairman Mao: That probably does not include the Navy.

Dr. Kissinger: It does not include the Navy. There are about 275,000
in Central Europe. That does not include the Sixth Fleet in the Mediterranean.
Chairman Mao: And your troop deployment to Asia and the Pacific
Ocean is too scattered. You have them in Korea. I heard the number
is about 300,000.

Dr. Kissinger: About 40,000.

Chairman Mao: And from 8 to 9,000 with Chiang Kai-shek.

Prime Minister Chou: In Taiwan.

Chairman Mao: Then it is said that there are two groups in Japan,
40,000 in Okinawa and 20 to 30,000 in Japan proper. I don't know how
many there are in the Philippines. Now you have remaining in Vietnam
a bit over 10,000.

Dr. Kissinger: But they will all be withdrawn.

Chairman Mao: Yes, and I heard that you have 40,000 in Thailand.

Dr. Kissinger: That is correct. But all the units the Chairman mentioned
are mostly air force units and therefore they probably cannot be
measured by the number of personnel.

Chairman Mao: You also have ground forces, for instance, in South
Korea.

Dr. Kissinger: In South Korea we have ground forces.

Chairman Mao: That was all begun by Truman and Acheson. So
this time you held a memorial service for Truman and we didn't go.
(Laughter)

Dr. Kissinger: When you have a liaison office in Washington it will
be more possible in the future.

Prime Minister Chou: You've held all these memorial services, both
for Truman and Johnson (Chairman Mao and Prime Minister Chou
laugh).

It seems to me that your voice is hoarse today. You should have a
day's rest tomorrow. Why do you want to continue to talk so much?

Dr. Kissinger: Because it is very important that you and we understand
what we are going to do and to coordinate our actions, and
therefore we always tell the Prime Minister what our plans are in various
areas of the world so that you can understand the individual
moves when they are made.

Chairman Mao: Yes. When you pass through Japan, you should
perhaps talk a bit more with them. You only talked with them for one
day and that isn't very good for their face.

Dr. Kissinger: Mr. Chairman, we wanted this trip's emphasis to be
on the talks in Peking, and I will take a separate trip to Tokyo.
Chairman Mao: Good. And also make clear to them.
You know the Japanese feelings towards the Soviet Union are not
so very good.

Dr. Kissinger: They are very ambivalent.

Chairman Mao: (Gesturing with his hand) In a word, during the
Second World War, Prime Minister Tanaka told our Premier, what the
Soviet Union did was that upon seeing a person about to hang himself,
they immediately took the chair from under his feet.

Dr. Kissinger: Yes.

Chairman Mao: It could be said that they didn't fire a single shot
and yet they were able to grab so many places (Prime Minister Chou
chuckles). They grabbed the People's Republic of Mongolia. They
grabbed half of Sinkiang. It was called a sphere of influence. And
Manchukuo, on the northeast, was also called their sphere of influence.

Dr. Kissinger: And they took all the industry out of it.

Chairman Mao: Yes. And they grabbed also the islands of Sakhalin
and the Kuriles Island. (Chairman Mao and Prime Minister Chou discuss
among themselves.) Sakhalin is the southern part of the Kuriles
Island. I will look it up in the dictionary to see what its Chinese translation
is.

Dr. Kissinger: The Japanese are tempted by the economic possibilities
in Russia.

Chairman Mao: (Nodding yes) They want to grab something there.

Dr. Kissinger: But we will encourage closer ties between Japan and
ourselves, and also we welcome their relationship with the People's
Republic.

Chairman Mao: We also believe that rather than Japan having
closer relations with the Soviet Union, we would rather that they would
better their relations with you. That would be better.

Dr. Kissinger: It would be very dangerous if Japan and the Soviet
Union formed closer political relations.

Chairman Mao: That doesn't seem likely.

Prime Minister Chou: The prospects are not too good.

Chairman Mao: We can also do some work there.

Dr. Kissinger: The Soviet Union has made overtures but the Japanese
have not responded. They have invited Ohira to go to Moscow.

Prime Minister Chou: Yes, this year, the second half.

Dr. Kissinger: This year.

Prime Minister Chou: And it seems on this question that Ohira has
a clearer idea of the Soviet Union than others. But there are some not
so clear in their understanding as their Foreign Minister.

Dr. Kissinger: That is correct.

Prime Minister Chou: That is also the bureaucracy as you term it.

Dr. Kissinger: We are prepared to exchange information with you
on these matters.

Prime Minister Chou: (To Chairman Mao) We have decided besides
establishing a liaison office in each capital to maintain the contact
between Huang Hua and the White House.

Chairman Mao: (To Prime Minister Chou) Where is the stress?

Prime Minister Chou: The liaison office will handle the general
public exchanges. For confidential and urgent matters not covered
by the liaison office we will use the channel of Ambassador Huang
Hua.

Chairman Mao: Huang Hua has met an ill fate (Prime Minister
Chou laughs). He was doing very well in your place and immediately
upon his return to Shanghai, he twisted his back.

Dr. Kissinger: We will find a doctor for him when he returns.

Chairman Mao: Yes. (Prime Minister Chou laughs). He seemed
more safe in your place. Immediately upon his return to Shanghai he
collapsed.
From the atmosphere with which your President received our acrobatic
troupe, I thought that the Vietnamese issue was going to be
settled.

There were some rumors that said that you were about to collapse
(laughter). And the women folk seated here were all dissatisfied with
that (laughter, especially pronounced among the women). They said if
the Doctor is going to collapse, we would be out of work.

Dr. Kissinger: Not only in China.

Chairman Mao: Yes, and the whole line would collapse like
dominos.

Dr. Kissinger: Those were just journalists' speculation.

Chairman Mao: Only speculation?

Dr. Kissinger: Only speculation.

Chairman Mao: No ground whatsoever?

Dr. Kissinger: No ground whatsoever. In fact the opposite was true.
We have now been able to place our men into all key positions.

Chairman Mao: (Nodding yes) Your President is now saying that
you are proposing something as if you were moving the Great Wall
from China to the United States, that is, trade barriers.

Dr. Kissinger: What we want to do is lower barriers.

Chairman Mao: To lower them? Then you were doing that just to
frighten people. You are saying that you are going to raise tariffs and non-tariff
barriers and maybe you do that to intimidate Europe and Japan.

Dr. Kissinger: Partly. We are proposing a trade bill which gives
both the power to raise and lower barriers, in order to get it passed
through Congress. We must create the impression that we might increase
barriers. We want executive authority to do it without Congressional
approval, but if we ask Congress to reduce barriers they
would refuse. (Prime Minister Chou laughs.) And this is why we are
asking for executive authority to move in either direction.

Chairman Mao: What if they don't give it to you?

Dr. Kissinger: We think they will give it to us. It will be a difficult
battle, but we are quite certain we will win. We are proposing it also
in such general language that we can remove discrimination that still
exists towards the People's Republic.

Chairman Mao: The trade between our two countries at present is
very pitiful. It is gradually increasing. You know China is a very poor
country. We don't have much. What we have in excess is women.
(Laughter)

Dr. Kissinger: There are no quotas for those or tariffs.

Chairman Mao: So if you want them we can give a few of those
to you, some tens of thousands. (Laughter)

Prime Minister Chou: Of course, on a voluntary basis.

Chairmain Mao: Let them go to your place. They will create disasters.
That way you can lessen our burdens. (Laughter)

Dr. Kissinger: Our interest in trade with China is not commercial.
It is to establish a relationship that is necessary for the political relations we both have.

Chairman Mao: Yes.

Dr. Kissinger: That is the spirit with which we are conducting our
discussions.

Chairman Mao: I once had a discussion with a foreign friend. (The
interpreters hold a discussion with Chairman Mao.) I said that we
should draw a horizontal line-the U.S.-Japan-Pakistan-Iran (Chairman
Mao coughs badly.)-Turkey and Europe.

Dr. Kissinger: We have a very similar conception. You may have
read in a newspaper that Mr. Helms has been moved to Iran, and there
was a great deal of speculation how this affected my position. In fact
we sent Helms to Iran to take care of Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and the
Persian Gulf, because of his experience in his previous position and we
needed a reliable man in that spot who understands the more complex
matters that are needed to be done. (Chairman Mao lights his cigar
again.) We will give him authority to deal with all of these countries,
although this will not be publicly announced.

Chairman Mao: As for such matters we do not understand very
much your affairs in the United States. There are a lot of things we
don't know very well. For example, your domestic affairs, we don't
understand them. There are also many things about foreign policy that
we don't understand either. Perhaps in your future four years we might
be able to learn a bit.

Dr. Kissinger: I told the Prime Minister that you have a more
direct, maybe a more heroic mode of action than we do. We have to
use sometimes more complicated methods because of our domestic situation.
(Chairman Mao queries about the translation and Miss Tang
repeats "mode of action.") But on our fundamental objectives we will
act very decisively and without regard to public opinion. So if a real
danger develops or hegemonial intentions become active, we will certainly
resist them wherever they appear. And as the President said to
the Chairman, in our own interests, not as a kindness to anyone else.

Chairman Mao: (Laughing) Those are honest words.

Dr. Kissinger: This is our position.

Chairman Mao: Do you want our Chinese women? We can give
you ten million. (Laughter, particularly among the women.)

Dr. Kissinger: The Chairman is improving his offer.

Chairman Mao: By doing so we can let them flood your country
with disaster and therefore impair your interests. In our country we
have too many women, and they have a way of doing things. They
give birth to children and our children are too many. (Laughter)

Dr. Kissinger: It is such a novel proposition, we will have to
study it.

Chairman Mao: You can set up a committee to study the issue.
That is how your visit to China is settling the population question.
(Laughter)

Dr. Kissinger: We will study utilization and allocation.

Chairman Mao: If we ask them to go I think they would be willing.

Prime Minister Chou: Not necessarily.

Chairman Mao: That's because of their feudal ideas, big nation
chauvinism.

Dr. Kissinger: We are certainly willing to receive them.

Chairman Mao: The Chinese are very alien-excluding.
For instance, in your country you can let in so many nationalities,
yet in China how many foreigners do you see?

Prime Minister Chou: Very few.

Dr. Kissinger: Very few.

Chairman Mao: You have about 600,000 Chinese in the United
States. We probably don't even have 60 Americans here. I would like
to study the problem. I don't know the reason.

Miss Tang: Mr. Lord's wife is Chinese.

Chairman Mao: Oh?

Mr. Lord: Yes.

Chairman Mao: I studied the problem. I don't know why the Chinese
never like foreigners. There are no Indians perhaps. As for the
Japanese, they are not very numerous either; compared to others there
are quite a few and some are married and settled down.

Dr. Kissinger: Of course, your experience with foreigners has not
been all that fortunate.

Chairman Mao: Yes, perhaps that is some reason for that.
Yes, in the past hundred years, mainly the eight powers, and later
it was Japan during the Boxer Revolution. For thirteen years Japan occupied
China, they occupied the major part of China; and in the past
the allied forces, the invading foreigners, not only occupied Chinese
territory, they also asked China for indemnity.

Dr. Kissinger: Yes, and extraterritorial rights.

Chairman Mao: Now in our relations with Japan, we haven't asked
them for indemnity and that would add to the burden of the people.
It would be difficult to calculate all the indemnity. No accountant
would be able to do it.
And only in this way can we move from hostility to relaxation in
relations between peoples. And it will be more difficult to settle relations
of hostility