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- 2 回复 纲举目张
- 哈哈.9494.科研不论用手还是用脑,转不过来弯跟学位关系不紧密.的确,很多时候岗位需要有学历的人.但有高学历的,笨蛋多了去了.美国的例子,圣路易斯地标的电梯;中国的例子,杂交水稻.君不见博士最大国,现在基本是在山寨.教育不来场革命,恐怕一时不会有飞跃.
- 1 回复 qwxqwsean
- 杂交水稻怎么也成了笨蛋的例子啦?
纲举目张: 哈哈.9494.科研不论用手还是用脑,转不过来弯跟学位关系不紧密.的确,很多时候岗位需要有学历的人.但有高学历的,笨蛋多了去了.美国的例子,圣路易斯地标的电梯;中国 ...
- 1 回复 smartman
- frankly speaking, white students, especially undergrduates, at best schools are pretty smart. many of them also work hard with great ambitions. i used to be a TA in close touch with undergraduates and had a pretty good judgement on their knowledge and intelligence.
qxw66: do you？
when you go to grad schools at those best schools, most smart whites go to law or medical or business schools. that is why we frequently find many of our white peers are not as smart as we are when we are in engineering or science majors.
i personally hold that an advanced country does not really need many or most people to understand and approve calculus theorems to undertake most jobs. it takes a small elite group of best brains to design and make space shuttles and nuclear weapons. most of these elite leaders come from top 10 best schools, that may be enough.
of course, the mose well-educated people, the better. but, arguably (i know it is controversal), that does not mean we should ask all high school students to be able to approve geomotry or trig theorems as we did in china.
- 2 回复 qxw66
- 白人也有厉害的，比如很多大物理学家。。。但归根结底，东亚人平均IQ比白人高出一截。。。当然，西方衰败的更根本原因可能还是文化。。。
smartman: frankly speaking, white students, especially undergrduates, at best schools are pretty smart. many of them also work hard with great ambitions. i us ...
- 2 回复 smartman
- 东亚人平均IQ比白人高出一截
qxw66: 白人也有厉害的，比如很多大物理学家。。。但归根结底，东亚人平均IQ比白人高出一截。。。当然，西方衰败的更根本原因可能还是文化。。。
this is probably right though i have never seen any scientific evidence to support.
西方衰败的更根本原因可能还是文化
i guess western's deterioration is due to a variety of reasons. i believe their democractic system has inherent flaws, too. also, their people are lazy, less educated -- that is what you pointed out.
what i disagreed with you in my previous posting is that, not all White are dump and lazy. in a few best US schools, you will meet best Whites' brains and they are intelligent and hard-working. however, on average, americans are less educated and, maybe, their avergage IQs are inferior to Chinese's?!
- 2 回复 qxw66
- 呵呵，我们看法很一致。。。西方文化破产了。。。骆家辉再伪装为人民服务都不行。。。
smartman: 东亚人平均IQ比白人高出一截
this is probably right though i have never seen any scientific evidence to support.
西方衰败的更根本原因可能还是文化
i gu ...
看看美国的华人比他们厉害多了，就知道中国的未来了
- 3 回复 qwxqwsean
- 美国的法律和医学生也大多是笨蛋， 美国学生在中学和本科所受的训练没什么挑战性， 即使各科是A也不说明是人才。
smartman: frankly speaking, white students, especially undergrduates, at best schools are pretty smart. many of them also work hard with great ambitions. i us ...
我在雪城大学上过三年本科， 在雪城医学院上过半年， 虽然我不是医学生， 但我住的宿舍和他们在一起， 和医学生们整天见面经常说话。 我所说的美国大学生， 法学生， 医学生， 是以他们为背景说的。
学法律的学生很多心肠不太 好， 这似乎与他们学的东西有关， 你如果和美国的律师打过交道你就知道美国律师普遍心肠坏。在他们眼里没有对错好坏。
- 2 回复 qwxqwsean
- 培养杂交水稻， 似乎与学位高低无关。
纲举目张: 非也.这是低学历解决高学历解决不了的问题两个例子.
实际上， 目前世界上所有主要的农作物和家禽家畜都是由几千几万年前的大概不会写字的原始部落的人驯化的。 原始人把几乎所有他们能接触到的地球上的动植物都研究了一遍， 并把能驯化的都驯化了。 现代生物学， 貌似极其先进， 但没有驯化出更多的东西。 现代生物学只是对古人的作品润色改进而已。你在农贸市场能买到的食物， 绝大部分是由至少几千年以前的古人驯化的。
而且驯化的难度有些还很大， 比如中国人驯化的苹果， 要雌雄株间隔种植， 还要嫁接。 而玉米的驯化难度也很大， 是由古印第安人完成的。
了解了原始人的卓越成绩以后， 你不会觉得现在改良水稻是了不起的事。
- 3 回复 qwxqwsean
- 记得不久前有研究报告， 欧美白人平均智商是１００， 中国韩国日本人的智商世界最高， 是１０５。 中国人的科技文化领先了世界一千多年， 不是偶然的。
smartman: 东亚人平均IQ比白人高出一截
this is probably right though i have never seen any scientific evidence to support.
西方衰败的更根本原因可能还是文化
i gu ...
- 2 回复 smartman
- sorry, i have to disagree with you. i still have to say, i guess, you did not meet the best White law and medical school brains. if you go to the top 5 law and medical schools, you will probably find truly smart Whites there.
qwxqwsean: 美国的法律和医学生也大多是笨蛋， 美国学生在中学和本科所受的训练没什么挑战性， 即使各科是A也不说明是人才。
我在雪城大学上过三年本科， 在雪城医学院上 ...
did you meet with some harvard, john hopkins White med students or yale, harvard, stanford white law students or MIT, stanford White engineering students? if you do, i bet they will change your impression.
please do not get me wrong. i don't downgrade syracuse. it has very good engineering and school programs. but frankly speaking, smart Whites do not go there. so, i won't feel surprised if at syracuse, foreign students take the lead.
as for high schools, you did not get a chance to teach the best students in best US high schools. i used to tutor gunn junior high school students (in silicon valley) and their problem sets are comparable to my international Olympic problem sets I did in in high school in China. again, best high school smart Whites go to private high schools or best top 5 or 10 colleges/univs. you can not judge if you did not really interact with them.
- 2 回复 smartman
- that is probably true. i believe in it.
qwxqwsean: 记得不久前有研究报告， 欧美白人平均智商是１００， 中国韩国日本人的智商世界最高， 是１０５。 中国人的科技文化领先了世界一千多年， 不是偶然的。
- 1 回复 smartman
- but don't be overjoyed too early.
qxw66: 呵呵，我们看法很一致。。。西方文化破产了。。。骆家辉再伪装为人民服务都不行。。。
看看美国的华人比他们厉害多了，就知道中国的未来了
1. 骆家辉再伪装为人民服务都不行
i disagree. US government officials behave like that regularly. they do not pretend to behave like that in China only. they behave that way in US, too.
2. China's system has bigger problems than US. even if we trust Chinese average IQs are higher than Whites, that does not mean China is able to surpass US easily or in short term. US has an excellent system, though not infallible, but China's system has many problems, too, maybe worst than US.
美国的华人比他们厉害多了 but when these smart Chinese return to China, they suffer or underperform. what are the reasons?
- 1 回复 qxw66
- 1 有必要伪装，这是比军事重要的多的文化战略任务。O8到中国就自己打伞，别处别人打。US官员是人浮于事的蛀虫，不是为人民服务的骆家辉。
smartman: but don't be overjoyed too early.
1. 骆家辉再伪装为人民服务都不行
i disagree. US government officials behave like that regularly. they do not pret ...
2 中国一天天好起来，美国一天天烂下去。
美国的华人 return to China because of suffer or underperform，比如钱学森。what are the reasons?
- 2 回复 smartman
- i said, i don't trust gary locke pretends to behave that way. he is inherently a person of that type.
qxw66: 1 有必要伪装，这是比军事重要的多的文化战略任务。O8到中国就自己打伞，别处别人打。US官员是人浮于事的蛀虫，不是为人民服务的骆家辉。
2 中国一天天好起来， ...
美国一天天烂下去。
in early 1980s, Zhai Ziyang criticized chinese economists that why nobody predicted US would recover, why everyone thought 美国一天天烂下去 forever.
US has many advantages that China could hardly match. US is a great country that embraces innovations. US will recover within the next 10 years. China is growing rapidly so far. But it has many obstacles and, if it could not go on with further reform, it would fall into the same situation of lost decades as Japan did. So, China really, really needs in-depth reform. It is arriving at its reflection point. The critical period is 2015 when it loses population dividends. personally, i wish china could continue prospering as it has done in the past 30 years. But I am really worried...
if you could remember today's discussion, watch China and US b/t 2015-2020. If China had problems, it would begin emerging after 2015. For US, we simply wait for next invention and innovation that could fundementally revive and thrive throughout the nation.
- 2 回复 qxw66
- 不必等了，20年以前美国人收入是中国人200倍，30年，300倍，50年500倍。。。
smartman: i said, i don't trust gary locke pretends to behave that way. he is inherently a person of that type.
美国一天天烂下去。
in early 1980s, Zhai Ziyang ...
现在差不多3倍，3年后持平