民主是一种理念

作者:东方华  于 2010-6-23 00:47 发表于 最热闹的华人社交网络--贝壳村

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1 回复 xqw63 2010-6-23 05:59
东方华: 执法不严也可以通融,那就是管理的问题了。如有纪律约束和依法规处置,就会改过来的。
再举个例子,偏僻农村买卖妇女,警察解救只能象小偷一样
计划生育实行不下去,扒房子就成
儿子犯法找不到人,抓了老子,儿子就自动投案了。。。
这样的环境,需要太多的民主改良啦,所以,中国要民主,但如何民主,一直是一个讨论和试点的议题,这是咱的观点,能否对特定的地区和人群,进行特定的民主方式
1 回复 东方华 2010-6-23 06:08
xqw63: 再举个例子,偏僻农村买卖妇女,警察解救只能象小偷一样
计划生育实行不下去,扒房子就成
儿子犯法找不到人,抓了老子,儿子就自动投案了。。。
这样的环境,需
没错。先要认同民主,才有可能具体实施,这叫正本清源。
1 回复 snortbsd 2010-6-23 07:09
东方华: 咱也学学你老兄的风格,英语不好请多担待:

1。 yes, i do, not guys thou.  执政党conducted 文革 in a way of totally trashing all traditional values in
1) the cultural revolution was a disaster and nobody denies that. true it didn't establish a new moral system as mao intended. but it didn't really destroy the old code of conduct either. from another perspective, it proves that the establishment of a new culture value takes very long time. 道德沦丧, 挂着羊头卖狗 are not something new, in fact, when i was in southern part of africa first in mid 90s, those chinese there were not from mainland china. as i said before, i rather not talk about things not so pleasant...

indeed, those 'righteous" minyun people here do the exact 挂着羊头卖狗肉  stuff here...

2) i didn't say you could not. but i certainly think this 执政党  could represent the most of people of china, obviously not include you.

what else could you come up except this "voting democracy"? guess you just can't come up anything your own!

yes, i support prc/ccp with my conscious mind. as long as your types are not messing around china, as long as china is one piece, as long as china moving forward, as long as problems are being solved, as long as the lives of the people of china is improving, prc will have my support.
1 回复 东方华 2010-6-23 07:23
snortbsd: 1) the cultural revolution was a disaster and nobody denies that. true it didn't establish a new moral system as mao intended. but it didn't really d
okey, point one well taken eventhough others' wrongdoing does not give you the right to do the same.
with regard to point 2,
2.1   just how do you know that "this 执政党 could represent the most of people of china"?
2.2   why i need to reinvent the wheel when democracy is proven to be more justified social system?  
2.3  why one party rule is the only solution to keep china unified while history proved otherwise repeatedly?
1 回复 SirCat 2010-6-23 07:24
顶老兄的严肃思考
民主,还是法制
有时候说着说着甲
就拐到乙上去了
呵呵
1 回复 东方华 2010-6-23 07:29
SirCat: 顶老兄的严肃思考
民主,还是法制
有时候说着说着甲
就拐到乙上去了
呵呵
哈哈,意识流呀~望不吝赐教,明确指出在下的大陆漂移。
民主制度,本身就是法治而非人治。
1 回复 华东方 2010-6-23 07:36
换个题目说说,咋老说一个题目,老没劲呐
1 回复 东方华 2010-6-23 07:39
华东方: 换个题目说说,咋老说一个题目,老没劲呐
意犹未尽接着说呀~
1 回复 华东方 2010-6-23 07:50
东方华: 意犹未尽接着说呀~
啥时是个尽呐
1 回复 东方华 2010-6-23 08:00
华东方: 啥时是个尽呐
不多了,还有几句话。说完就给你讲故事啦。。。
1 回复 oneweek 2010-6-23 08:19
有条有理。 十分佩服
1 回复 东方华 2010-6-23 08:24
oneweek: 有条有理。 十分佩服
谢谢猪猪夸奖!
1 回复 snortbsd 2010-6-23 08:54
东方华: okey, point one well taken eventhough others' wrongdoing does not give you the right to do the same.
with regard to point 2,
2.1   just how do you kn
1) just see how many of people here on your guys side? even you guys create million of IDs, still the support for your guys is pathetically marginal...

2) you must be joking!!! are you blind or something? just give me few examples that this "voting democracy" even worked in last 20 some years in those third world countries. i can have a long list for that failed "voting democracy"; got hundreds and thousands people killed, if not millions; economies just went down to the tube; countries were disintegrated into pieces; civil wars were broken out... i can go on, on and on...

3) well, i would love to hear this "while history proved otherwise repeatedly". if my knowledge of the history of china is correct, the overthrown of qing dynasty was 1911; it was the first time in the long history of china that symbolized the painful birth of a new china in modern sense as a country.
1 回复 xoyuanfen 2010-6-23 10:06
人人平等.
1 回复 海外愤青 2010-6-23 10:23
东方华: 只要社会还存在特权统治集团,就没有可能实现充分的个人自由和平等政治权力!
说得好!我看G8各国,家家都符合你说的这一条。
1 回复 newyorker92 2010-6-23 10:26
We do not live in a perfect world.  U.S is not a perfect society either.  But it is still a country that attracts more people than any other countries.  The social system is far from perfection, however it is far superior than that of China.
1 回复 东方华 2010-6-23 10:32
snortbsd: 1) just see how many of people here on your guys side? even you guys create million of IDs, still the support for your guys is pathetically marginal.
1。 你不是开玩笑吧?依据村里马甲多少可知中共得到大多数国民的支持。你那么有信心,为啥不全民选举?那样共产党的法理基础不久更巩固率吗?还拿捏着做啥?
2。 你们这种托词很无聊,社会主义实践连根毛都没有的时候,就在全中国铺开了,你那时干啥去了?当成千上万的国人死在社会主义实践的口号下的时候,你又去哪儿啦,六四开枪的时候你怎么不劝劝执政党发发善心哪?对了你很支持他们镇压。
3。 “话说天下大事,分久必合合久必分”的说法没听说过?哪朝哪代不是中央集权啊?民国之前中国不能称其为国家?不怕笑掉大牙。。。
1 回复 snortbsd 2010-6-23 10:37
东方华: 1。 你不是开玩笑吧?依据村里马甲多少可知中共得到大多数国民的支持。你那么有信心,为啥不全民选举?那样共产党的法理基础不久更巩固率吗?还拿捏着做啥?
2。
what hell, you didn't answer any of my questions and use this kinda bs...

you mingun guys just hopeless...
1 回复 东方华 2010-6-23 10:39
xoyuanfen: 人人平等.
说的对,就应该平等啊。
1 回复 wazhh 2010-6-23 10:40
摸着石头过河吧
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